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Have You Always Been You?

Most people's personality tends to change only very gradually over time, if at all. They can learn new coping strategies and skills, so the expression of that personality can appear to differ, but the underlying personality tends to be fairly similar nonetheless.

I don't think I differ from that general rule. My personality has been fairly consistent over the years, but I certainly learned to change how it was externally expressed, esp. between, say, the ages of 15-25.

As for what that personality is, I'm a pretty typical INTJ if one uses MBTI terminology, with the NT strongly expressed. :D
 
I was more "leader-like" as a child. As I grew older I lost the believe I could lead anything, as I never trust my abilities to be good enough.
However there are some personality traits thats stayed similiar, yup.

TerokNor
 
[wet blanket: on] As a psychologist, I have seen little evidence to prove the "personality" as we call it, is an actual construct that can accurately predict human behavior. Environment, context and learning history seem to be far better predictors of human behavior. (Even personality researchers will admit that their ability to predict and influence behavior from the data they collect is almost nil, and it's very very frustrating to them)

Why yes, I am being condescending, overbearing, and nearly incomprehensible. As a grad student, it's the only thing I have. Are you really going to take it away from me?
 
[wet blanket: on] As a psychologist, I have seen little evidence to prove the "personality" as we call it, is an actual construct that can accurately predict human behavior. Environment, context and learning history seem to be far better predictors of human behavior. (Even personality researchers will admit that their ability to predict and influence behavior from the data they collect is almost nil, and it's very very frustrating to them)

Why yes, I am being condescending, overbearing, and nearly incomprehensible. As a grad student, it's the only thing I have. Are you really going to take it away from me?

[replaces wet blanket with dry, clean, fluffy lavender scented blanket] Variety is the spice of life. :D
 
[wet blanket: on] As a psychologist, I have seen little evidence to prove the "personality" as we call it, is an actual construct that can accurately predict human behavior. Environment, context and learning history seem to be far better predictors of human behavior. (Even personality researchers will admit that their ability to predict and influence behavior from the data they collect is almost nil, and it's very very frustrating to them)

Why yes, I am being condescending, overbearing, and nearly incomprehensible. As a grad student, it's the only thing I have. Are you really going to take it away from me?

It strikes me that hiving off some separate definion of "personality" away from the persistent and consistent traits that develop in individuals as a result of "environment, context and learning history" is rather disingenuous. The very definition of personality is an enduring set of traits that results from a pattern of perceiving, interacting and thinking about the world as it relates to oneself.

Object-relation and attachment theories have considerable face validity, at least to me, in terms of understanding how these traits embed themselves in individuals through childhood and so how by the time of early adulthood, most of the key patterns are set. Obviously further adaptation is possible through life, but I think it takes a strong mind and significant effort to shift the patterns the older one gets, esp. once you're into adulthood. That also seems to support the concept of personality.

Certainly, my clinical practice (and I would suggest, most of my colleagues) would strongly support the principle that the concept of personality has immense practical utility in predicting behaviour, esp. when it is dysfunctional or otherwise unhelpful (eg within personality disorders) and in terms of developing more helpful coping strategies to prevent these negative outcomes.
 
[wet blanket: on] As a psychologist, I have seen little evidence to prove the "personality" as we call it, is an actual construct that can accurately predict human behavior. Environment, context and learning history seem to be far better predictors of human behavior. (Even personality researchers will admit that their ability to predict and influence behavior from the data they collect is almost nil, and it's very very frustrating to them)

Why yes, I am being condescending, overbearing, and nearly incomprehensible. As a grad student, it's the only thing I have. Are you really going to take it away from me?

It strikes me that hiving off some separate definion of "personality" away from the persistent and consistent traits that develop in individuals as a result of "environment, context and learning history" is rather disingenuous. The very definition of personality is an enduring set of traits that results from a pattern of perceiving, interacting and thinking about the world as it relates to oneself.

Object-relation and attachment theories have considerable face validity, at least to me, in terms of understanding how these traits embed themselves in individuals through childhood and so how by the time of early adulthood, most of the key patterns are set. Obviously further adaptation is possible through life, but I think it takes a strong mind and significant effort to shift the patterns the older one gets, esp. once you're into adulthood. That also seems to support the concept of personality.

Certainly, my clinical practice (and I would suggest, most of my colleagues) would strongly support the principle that the concept of personality has immense practical utility in predicting behaviour, esp. when it is dysfunctional or otherwise unhelpful (eg within personality disorders) and in terms of developing more helpful coping strategies to prevent these negative outcomes.

I guess I just don't see what a theory of personality ADDS to behaviorism. In my experience, understanding the context of a behavior ("She acts like this right before dinner time") has been infinitely more useful in terms of predicting and influencing (and changing) than describing the behavior as a personality trait ("She's just grouchy/manipulative/lazy!" [I am very sick of hearing the DSPs I work with describe the residents that way, as a totally off topic rant]) I don't know how to describe the function of a personality trait. But I can describe, and therefore influence, the function of a behavior within its context. I think MMPIs are ridiculously fun (Ohmigod! He spiked on 8!) and I love that it's criterion keyed, but as for taking the data I get from it and successfully using it in the therapy room, or to work out a behavior plan for a resident, I'm stuck. Basically I've just used it as a jumping off point to ultimately talk about...well, behavior.

I will be the first to admit that my experience with personality disorders in a therapeutic context is almost nil, barring a little bit of exposure to borderline. I will also say that I am in a very VERY behaviorist program, and much of my knowledge of psychodynamic theory came from one professor who was near retirement and seemed to be already planning his world cruise (so I'm not super knowledgeable about object-relations theory). But I do have friends who are personality researchers, and I do have a great interest in what they do, but one of them said just the other day, "Use this data to predict a behavior in a specific situation? ...We can't do that. But someday! Someday!"

To me, behaviorism just seems like the most parsimonious theory, at least in the context (ahem, pun intended ;) ) I usually work in, and I haven't found personality theories to tell me much more.

And I do know that it sounds like splitting hairs to say "that's not personality, it's learning history!" But I guess the difference is with learning history, you break the contingencies, and the behavior should go away (eventually. After escalation and extinction bursts and all that.) But I get the sense with personality theories that the idea is the behaviors are much more ingrained than that. I may be wrong though.
 
I remember being something of a crybaby for a while... not as much anymore. I also now have a much lower tolerance for stupid people in Wal-Mart, which unfortunately hasn't become less irritating with continued exposure.
 
As a young child I had a major speech problem. Most people could not understand me and I felt very isolated. I was also a very quiet child as I didn't like talking to people because they used to get frustrated trying to understand me. Teachers considered me to be introverted.

I started speech therapy when I was about 5 and my the time I was 8 or 9 my speech had improve enough for people to understand me. Once I could be understood I loved to talk. People say I talk too much but I don't think those people truly understand what it is like to not be able to communicate. Strangely the same people understand why a friend of mine, who didn't learn to read until she was adult, is so book crazy today.

I would call myself an extrovert. It might be possible that I was always an extrovert even as a child but wasn't able to express that because I was afraid of ridicule. I am still a little self conscious about my speech at times especially when talking on the phone.
 
I've gone through times when the differing, almost contradictory aspects of myself were at greater extremes than usual, but overall I'd say I've always been the same. And I expect that I always will be, for better or worse.
 
I guess I just don't see what a theory of personality ADDS to behaviorism.

I would argue, depth. And so, more intriguing avenues to approach a solution.

Taking this a bit further because it's an interesting side-discussion, it strikes me that what we're really differing on here are different philosophical approaches to the mind, and the question of free will.

I would suggest that Behaviourism is essentially hard deterministic is its nature; it presupposes that everything can be understood through a causal chain. That will naturally appeal to scientists, and psychology these days has a lot of people entering it with that perspective, and a lot of courses are heavily structured around that scientific approach.

By contrast, Psychodynamic and cognitive approaches (and personality theories can be classified as broadly psychodynamic) are essentially either compatabilist/soft deterministic (eg Freud) or outright libertarian (eg Jung): they either temporarily put to one side whether there is a causal chain that might theoretically some day be understood or outright disregard that possibility to the point of effectively denying it.

Instead they focus on the internal state of the mind. I suggest that this introspective element paradoxically allows psychoanalytic approaches to be a powerful short-cut to understanding behaviour; one no longer needs to decipher the contingency chain, one simply needs to see the overall emergent pattern. It is not scientific - an introspective approach can never be - because it is unique to the individual/relationship. Its power is that it is heuristic rather than algorithmic.

One final thought: you clearly lean heavily towards a behaviourist model, whereas I have a lot of sympathy towards a psychodynamic model. How did we end up with those different philosophical leanings?

To answer that, a behaviourist (as I understand it) would have to decipher the detailed chain of events responsible for structuring a mindset that favours that worldview. Unless one believes in the transcendental, I agree that it's theoretically possible to do that, but it would take a lot of time and effort and at some point, the haziness of human memory would make it impossible on a practical level.

But if you take a personality based approach, I suspect we'd get to a working explanatory hypothesis much faster. That's what I mean by it being a short-cut to finding avenues to approach a solution. The avenues may end up being blind alleys sometimes, of course, but that's the price you pay for this technique.

Cognition is so complex an emergent phenomenon that it strikes me as, well, tiresome to go through the nuts and bolts of explanining its emergence through behaviourism, when there's a potential short-cut there for the taking.

This is an interesting discussion by the way, thank you. I might write a bit more about it on my blog at some point.
 
My personality is better than it was last year but not as good as it'll be the next. Always aim upwards, kids.
 
There are parts of my personality that have remained consistent since childhood, but some other elements of my personality have evolved over time, and continue to evolve now. I can't say with complete certainty that I will be the same person when I wake up tomorrow, I certainly can't say that I'll be the same person this time next year.
 
I think I've learned to pretend to be more outgoing now than I was as a child. But I can't really define what my personality was as a child any more than I could define it now, so I have no way of answering this question.
 
I don't fully remember how I was as a child. But I do remember having a vague discomfort of being in my own skin and a doubt of my own worth and place in my own mind and in the world. Now that I'm older, I am more certain of myself. I am comfortable and I even really like myself. Of course there are things that I can improve, habits and such like that, but overall, I'm in a good place. I have come to realize that you cannot depend upon receiving validation from your surroundings or from the people in your life if you cannot even accept yourself.
 
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