Have the new Star Treks lost the progressive edge?
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I don't know. K'Ehleyr had that certain special something. She was smart, witty, saucy, and had a unbelievable magnetic charm about her.
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*nods*
Yeah, I... wait, there is another:
K'Ehleyr is so dreamy.
In regards to the OT...
Depends on how it was done, really. If it was simply for shock/sex value of featuring a gay kiss (ala "Rejoined"), or the fence-sitting embarrassment of "The Outcast" (trying to address LGBT without 'offending' anybody
), or Mirror Kira (the much overworn 'Evil Lesbian' trope ), then no, I wouldn't welcome it. Although of all those, "Rejoined" certainly treated it the best, being as it was a core part of very moving character piece (and something that out of all the Trek series, only DS9 could really have done).
If, however, there was an openly gay character who was a regular joe/jo-anne, but who just happened to be gay as well... that, I think, would be very welcome. People in the LGBT community would probably welcome a Hollywood portrayal of homosexuality that isn't patronising to their community, while others would (I hope) welcome the inclusivity of having a homosexual regular character whose sexuality isn't made a big deal of, and who is simply presented to us according to their competence and professionalism.
Depends on how it was done, really. If it was simply for shock/sex value of featuring a gay kiss (ala "Rejoined"), or the fence-sitting embarrassment of "The Outcast" (trying to address LGBT without 'offending' anybody
), or Mirror Kira (the much overworn 'Evil Lesbian' trope ), then no, I wouldn't welcome it. Although of all those, "Rejoined" certainly treated it the best, being as it was a core part of very moving character piece (and something that out of all the Trek series, only DS9 could really have done).If, however, there was an openly gay character who was a regular joe/jo-anne, but who just happened to be gay as well... that, I think, would be very welcome. People in the LGBT community would probably welcome a Hollywood portrayal of homosexuality that isn't patronising to their community, while others would (I hope) welcome the inclusivity of having a homosexual regular character whose sexuality isn't made a big deal of, and who is simply presented to us according to their competence and professionalism.
In regards to the OT...
Depends on how it was done, really. If it was simply for shock/sex value of featuring a gay kiss (ala "Rejoined"), or the fence-sitting embarrassment of "The Outcast" (trying to address LGBT without 'offending' anybody
If, however, there was an openly gay character who was a regular joe/jo-anne, but who just happened to be gay as well... that, I think, would be very welcome. People in the LGBT community would probably welcome a Hollywood portrayal of homosexuality that isn't patronising to their community, while others would (I hope) welcome the inclusivity of having a homosexual regular character whose sexuality isn't made a big deal of, and who is simply presented to us according to their competence and professionalism.
My feelings exactly.
At some point it would obviously be of value as material for a proper storyline. If treated correctly, as an adult relationship which is just like any other relationship that any other character would have, then it would be marvelous. If it were treated merely as a ratings stunt, however, *then* it'd be a disaster similar to past Trek attempts on the issue.
I do think society has moved on since Star Trek was last on the air as a TV show. I think any modern Trek show would certainly be willing to tackle it head-on in a way that, perhaps, past iterations of the franchise weren't quite ready to at the time for various reasons.
I do think society has moved on since Star Trek was last on the air as a TV show. I think any modern Trek show would certainly be willing to tackle it head-on in a way that, perhaps, past iterations of the franchise weren't quite ready to at the time for various reasons.
Given the many high profile news stories lately of gay and trans teens committing suicide due to social stigma and pressure against them, that could be a relevant social issue for a story.
I expect the next movie will be more explosions and fighting than social issues though.
I expect the next movie will be more explosions and fighting than social issues though.
Agreed. I think on a TV show, they'd have the leeway to tackle issues like this (all sorts of issues of modern society, in fact). But as a movie, it has be acceptable to as broad an audience as possible, without confusing anybody, or potentially alienating overseas countries where homosexuality is still (unfortunately) taboo, and in some extreme cases may even still be illegal.
A television series could take the concept and really do some positive things with it, though.
(It's part of the reason why, in my heart of hearts, I still think TV is really Star Trek's best "home". There's so much more potential in the franchise in a format where focused story-telling wins out over empty laser zap.
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A television series could take the concept and really do some positive things with it, though.
(It's part of the reason why, in my heart of hearts, I still think TV is really Star Trek's best "home". There's so much more potential in the franchise in a format where focused story-telling wins out over empty laser zap.
)If the sixth Fast & Furious movie is anything to go by, Justin Lin will also give the movie a sense of family. And I hope the movie contains many nods to Star Trek's history.
After seven hundred hours, I'm honestly burned out on Trek on TV. I'm more than happy to see a movie every few years and to pick up an occasional novel or comic to scratch my Trek itch.
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Walt Disney's theory was that there's a brand new audience out there roughly every 7 years.
Television Star Trek has got the ability to be more relevant and accessible *now* to an audience who were not burned out on Berman era Trek (and who were, more than likely, not even born yet when 'Enterprise' left the airwaves). And let's be honest, it's those guys and girls who they'd be making it for -- for the rest of us, it'd just be a bonus.
We can still get our TV show (in a few years, maybe...certainly not drinking the Para Mobius-flavored Koolaid) and you can just watch a couple episodes every few years or so.
I really miss not having a new Trek tv series. A movie every few years is nice, but there's a huge difference in the kind of storytelling you can get in a movie vs a tv series. Also, storytelling styles have changed a lot, with serial storytelling being much more popular than episodic television, and I would like to see what Trek could do with that format.
In the meantime though, the novels do fill the gap very nicely.
In the meantime though, the novels do fill the gap very nicely.
After 11 years I think I could handle a new series. 15 episodes a season, time to tell really good stories.
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I want both. More movies & a new TV show.
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Yep. I'd like Trek on TV to entertain and enlighten wherever possible, and nice, big Trek movies to take us on epic adventures. We can have both!
Works for me.
I still think that the best way to... ease Trek back on tv would be an animated show.
