And diehard VOY fans would kinda expect that.
Huh? Then how come my To Read pile keeps growing?
"Barely any"?
Has Treklit moved too far from it's roots?
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And diehard VOY fans would kinda expect that.
"Barely any"?
What about a zombie story that explore in depth how a zombie society could work, and how a zombie ecosystem could function?
I do think stories like 'Unity' from Star Trek: Voyager do cast an interesting light on the Borg. I'm 'all in' for stories that examine the Borg more in depth... not really interested in any more "Resistance is futile" crap.
What about a zombie story that explore in depth how a zombie society could work, and how a zombie ecosystem could function?
It couldn't. They're dead.
What about a zombie story that explore in depth how a zombie society could work, and how a zombie ecosystem could function?
It couldn't. They're dead.
Well, define living... We have two conflicting options on systems of biochemical processes and functions to explore...
Look at how many "final ends" the Daleks have had. Look at how many times the X-Men have defeated Magneto, once and for all. Without really trying, I can think of four very easy ways of bringing the Borg back from their permadeath in Destiny. I'm sure anyone could, and they might not even necessarily be the same ideas I've just had.
I've no doubt the Borg will be back in Treklit. Maybe not for a few years, but it will happen. Stay tuned.
The Borg are currently a part of Treklit, just not in the ongoing Destiny story. Star Trek Online tie-in The Needs of the Many mentions the ongoing Borg threat, and...
After the TNG relaunch I'm somewhat overloaded on away teams creeping through poorly lit corridors and gunning down drones, and tactical officers yelling "They've adapted!" as poorly-built bridge consoles explode, but there are far more possible Borg-related stories than direct military conflict.
...there's supposedly a Borg scout on Earth in the STXI young adult novel The Delta Anomaly.
After the TNG relaunch I'm somewhat overloaded on away teams creeping through poorly lit corridors and gunning down drones, and tactical officers yelling "They've adapted!" as poorly-built bridge consoles explode, but there are far more possible Borg-related stories than direct military conflict.
Sure, there's always the possibility of bringing the Borg back from time to time (though personally I'd be happy if we never saw them again). My point is that it's erroneous to assume that the books today are constantly about the Borg. That's an assumption that's two years out of date.
They're getting better...!
Well, we know from "Singular Destiny" that Starfleet is trying to recover Borg technology. We can assume other powers are as well.
All it would take is for one nanoprobe or bit of stray software code to come online and break containment protocols.
All it would take is for one nanoprobe or bit of stray software code to come online and break containment protocols.
No. But, I certainly can imagine Sulu as a first officer a few years own the road and a Scott-Uhura relationship (admittedly, far fetched, but not impossible.)
The problem with freezing characters and their environment in time is that eventually the stories are all the same. Boring. How many stories, for example, about Voyager meeting weird new species or confronting the Borg do you want to read? Geez, if the writers had not pulled a rabbit out of their collective hat, the Voyage crew would have died a slow, lingering death thousands of lightyears from home.
The essence of Trek is apart from the lives of the characters depicted on TV and movie screens. I find the novels much more satisfying than the TV shows or the movies. Times change. People change. It's good that the novels reflect that.
It just occurred to me that Sulu was first officer of the Enterprise, in the post-STII DC comics, and that Scotty/Uhura was very blatantly hinted at in STV.
The original intention for the TOS movies was to phase out the original cast in favor of new, younger players such as Saavik. However, nostalgia trumped meaningful change as the series progressed.
Yes. What I've always seen as unique, and therefore intrinsic, to Trek has been the choice of a better future as a setting; a prosperous and generally peaceful civilization that showcases a version of humanity that has logically improved in the intervening centuries to grow past the petty bullshit that afflicts contemporary society. That, to me, is the premise and a line I'm not interested in crossing. DS9 toed this line, which is about as comfortable as I am with skirting this vision. The current literature line, however, gleefully pole-vaulted across the line and into the (stygian, no doubt) abyss of ruination and realpolitik, character degeneration and destruction. There's an ongoing process of negation--the Federation stripped of its prosperity, Picard stripped of his dignity, Riker stripped of his joie de vivre, Janeway stripped of vivre altogether--which makes the darkling, despondent tone of the setting increasingly unreconizable. In the end, I don't know what will be left of the vision articulated by the shows (TNG most of all) that first drew me to the franchise, but I know that I've no interest in following the downwards spiral to find out.
Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman
Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman
I'm reminded of the episode wherein it was discovered that going past Warp 5 was destroying the fabric of space. They recovered.
I seem to recall a Cardassian doing that to him during the TV series. And the Borg - several times. Canonically.
It'll bounce back. As it always has.
I guess I'm a little confused. There have been many in this thread (and others on this board) that have expressed they are unhappy with the new post-Destiny status-quo. Okay, that's all well and good, and you are certainly entitled to your opinion.
But, what exactly are you looking for?
I loved TNG on TV. I never missed an episode, loved most of the characters and drank it all in with excitement and happiness.
BUT... one of the things that drove me nuts with that show is that, with very few exceptions, the reset button was pushed at the end of each episode. None of the characters really grew. You knew nothing permanent was going to happen to Riker, Data, Troi, etc., etc., etc. They were the exact same people as they were the week before. The movies went a little farther, but people complain about that as well.
TrekLit has decided to try to put the characters in situations where they have to progress. There is no reset button at the end of each novel (for the most part) anymore. Yes, bad things have happened to some of them, but the thing is, they all seem to overcome. There are some dark times, but they constantly try to improve--sometimes successfully, sometimes not. I think this is an improvement.
So, again, I ask, what exactly are those who are not happy looking for? I'm not meaning to put anyone down. As I said, you are entitled to your opinions, and I respect that. But I'm really confused as to what people are looking for.
But, what exactly are you looking for?
I loved TNG on TV. I never missed an episode, loved most of the characters and drank it all in with excitement and happiness.
BUT... one of the things that drove me nuts with that show is that, with very few exceptions, the reset button was pushed at the end of each episode. None of the characters really grew. You knew nothing permanent was going to happen to Riker, Data, Troi, etc., etc., etc. They were the exact same people as they were the week before. The movies went a little farther, but people complain about that as well.
TrekLit has decided to try to put the characters in situations where they have to progress. There is no reset button at the end of each novel (for the most part) anymore. Yes, bad things have happened to some of them, but the thing is, they all seem to overcome. There are some dark times, but they constantly try to improve--sometimes successfully, sometimes not. I think this is an improvement.
So, again, I ask, what exactly are those who are not happy looking for? I'm not meaning to put anyone down. As I said, you are entitled to your opinions, and I respect that. But I'm really confused as to what people are looking for.
I'm looking for good well written stories. Doesn't matter to me if they are game changers like Destiny or a "reset" novel like Fallen Heroes so I'm not concerned if TrekLit has strayed from its "roots", what ever they may be. It's just that as I said in the "apathy" thread, I just don't feel like I've gotten the best of TrekLit this year.
I'm as happy with Trek lit now as I was when I started, back in 2002.
I personally wouldn't want the novels to retain the status quo of the series they're based on, particularly as my favorite of the series was Deep Space Nine, which offered some pretty big shake-ups. I suppose the crux of the problem is how "Trek-like" the novels are, and defining that strikes me as a little like Q attempting to explain "Q-ness". It's difficult to articulate effectively. On the whole, though, nothing so far has made me squint judgmentally and think "this is Star Trek? Not my Trek!" (Well, nothing in the novel line anyway, and that issue's a whole other can of gagh, isn't it?
I'm just grateful that I've gotten - and continue to get - so many tales from a fictional universe I'm fond of. We're quite, quite lucky. And from an entirely selfish viewpoint, I want to see change in these books, I want to see personal, political and situational development, characters moving on with their lives, characters dying and marrying and having children. I want to see consequences and continuity; all this makes the Trek universe seem more "real" for me, more meaningful. I enjoy having an evolving fictional history into which to immerse myself. So few fictional worlds have this scope - there's Star Wars obviously leading the pack, but that's never been my thing.
Basically, I don't want to go back to the roots, I want the plant to keep growing up, and branching out in many interesting directions as it goes
^This. (Exactly This)
Sulu must have been a first officer at some point before becoming captain of Excelsior, and Uhura and Scotty seem to have a thing going in the fifth movie, so...
two out of three ain't bad.
