Interesting..I actually like Redemption better now than when I first saw it(bought the movie version of the bluray) . Sela is still the weakest point but i still like the political maneuvering. What do you dislike more?
Has TNG Aged Well?
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You are right about Crusher. She was really the only TNG crew member who really ever tore into Picard.
There were hints early on that Picard and Crusher may have been romantically involved in the past. She had a special relationship with Picard. I got the impression that she was comfortable in raising her voice to Picard because it was the part of their relationship that may have been a carry over from the days when they may have had their lovers' spats.
There was no noticeable passion in their voices when the other TNG characters disagreed with Picard, with the possible exception of Worf. But Worf is a Klingon. He throws temper tantrums. The TNG crew was sedate and bland. They seemed to go out of their way to avoid potentially hurting each other feelings, as though nothing really mattered except not hurting the feelings of their crew mates.
This reminds me of something that Kirk said in the TOS ep "The Empath":
"We will not leave our friend. You've lost the capacity to feel the emotions you brought Gem here to experience. You don't understand what it is to live. Love and compassion are dead in you. You're nothing but intellect."
Did people during TNG times become almost passionless? The TNG characters were very technocratic.
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The differences between TNG and DS9 can be summed up by Quark's speech to Nog in "The Seige of AR 558". The Dominion War is likely the biggest all-inclusive battle in the entire Federation's history, and TNG was the happy go lucky calm before the raging category 5 storm.
It would've been interesting to see the TNG crew's take on the war in any of their movies. Yanno, since Paramount wanted them to be action stars anyway :/
It would've been interesting to see the TNG crew's take on the war in any of their movies. Yanno, since Paramount wanted them to be action stars anyway :/
It would not have been easy for the TNG movies to tie into the Dominion War, for a bunch of reasons and I'm glad they didn't pursue it. There's nothing wrong with wanting to be Action Oriented, I don't feel that that's Anti-STAR TREK. It's just in the way that it's done. I never felt that STAR TREK was ALL about Khan Noonien Singh, either, but I was wrong, there. It's like 6 Degrees of Separation, with this guy. The Dominion Wars ... who remembers that? Khan's notorious, by comparison ...
I should clarify that I'm probably more talking about Redemption II. I think all the storylines are fine but there's just not enough room for each to breathe. Like the Sela thing comes up and then is almost immediately discarded. Or Data commanding a starship could have been cool, like what we'd later see with Gambit. Or Worf as a soldier of the empire got a better showing in Soldiers of the Empire. It's possible I'm being too hard on it, maybe because I was such a fan of it as a kid that I expect it to be the best thing ever and the fact it's just okay is not enough. On the other hand I only saw The Survivors in the last few years so it seems fresher.
"The Survivors" is ten times better than "Redemption" in my book. Always has been.
I like how the show looks. Its more colorful than all the subsequent series.
I also like the Season 3 uniforms which are my favorite of any uniforms since.
I also like the Season 3 uniforms which are my favorite of any uniforms since.
I watched the entire series recently, my opinion is that most of the series held up well. Occasionally a hairstyle or someone's clothing would jump out at me and announce, "This is the early 90's." Aside from those few things, I thought it held up quite well and found it very enjoyable to complete my viewing experience I began in 1987.
I love the vision of humanity and inclusion of all people and races (and androids) and I think that was expressed more clearly and perhaps more consistently than the original series did.
I love the vision of humanity and inclusion of all people and races (and androids) and I think that was expressed more clearly and perhaps more consistently than the original series did.
The only Radiohead album that was concurrent with TNG was Pablo Honey. If we're looking at Radiohead concurrently with Star Trek, their strongest work (The Bends, Ok Computer, Kid A) would have come out in the Ds9/Voyager era.
Agreed, Seasons 1 and 2 are pretty dated
My only beef with TNG is the directing - it hasnt aged well. Sometimes the slow, static movements of the camera and the actors are opposite to what is happening. The way the show was shot was VERY conservative, almost on a 1940s movie level. It often brings me out of the show while watching it because it doesnt add up sometimes (example: a Borg drone accesses the computer panel in engineering and Picard & Co. just stand there, looking at it doing its stuff, the camera in static position, cutting back and forth).
But look at "Where no one has gone before", that is one of the most beautiful shot episodes of TNG - and it is first season.
The entire Berman era was like that, pretty much. No flash allowed.
Plenty of 40's movies had great cinematography.
I'd say seasons 3 - 8 aren't too bad, uniform wise, with the exception of Troi before she wore the standard uniform. The first two seasons with the cheap looking collarless uniforms that looked like Halloween costumes and especially those unprofessionally ridiculous cheerleader miniskirt uniforms that Troi, and II think Yar wore a couple of times un the first season, did not age well at all.
They did the same collarless uniform
bit with Odo in the first two seasons on DS9 that looked just as cheap and Halloween-y before upgrading his uniform in the third season.
Considering that TNG went with the cheap collarless uniforms for its first two seasons and did the same with Odo for the first two of DS9, it makes me wonder if they simply didn't want to invest in the more expensive looking uniforms until they were sure the shows wouldn't be prematurely cancelled.
They did the same collarless uniform
bit with Odo in the first two seasons on DS9 that looked just as cheap and Halloween-y before upgrading his uniform in the third season.
Considering that TNG went with the cheap collarless uniforms for its first two seasons and did the same with Odo for the first two of DS9, it makes me wonder if they simply didn't want to invest in the more expensive looking uniforms until they were sure the shows wouldn't be prematurely cancelled.
The HD upgrade made a HUGE difference, but I agree that S 3-7 look the best by today's standards. The default set lighting and film stock used in S1 and 2 make me immediately associate it with 80s. I remember watching the S3 opener back in the day and everything felt "fresher."
I try not to pick it apart for flaws. I just reach down for how it made me feel when I first watched it, which is why I continue to watch it, because it made, and continues to make me feel good. As soon as I start disseminating anything, I destroy that initial joy, so I just don't anymore.
Back then even more than now, diretcors were basically rented from show to show and they rarely could put a mark on particular episodes. STNG was actually an exception, with 4-5 directors that had a notable style.
I think more than anything except technology and budgets..directing has changed the most in TV...and I am particularly interested to see what DSC looks like on this point.
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I think more than anything except technology and budgets..directing has changed the most in TV...and I am particularly interested to see what DSC looks like on this point.
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