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Has the Doctor stumbled onto a way to bring back the (SPOILERS)

Maybe The Doctor doesn't want to? I mean we found out that the vast majority of the Time Lord's and their council were all in favour of Rassilon and his plan. While I'm sure some Time Lords are still good or were just following Rassilon, who knows if House wasn't also involved in the Time War in some capacity?
 
If the Doctor goes back before House leaves, the Tardis will shut down just like it did when it first arrived. House automatically ejects the Matrix of a Tardis when they land.

If the Doctor goes back after House leaves, the universe would probably have already collapsed. Plus he would have to eject even more of his Tardis to get there.

However, it does pose the question; how many other pocket universes are out there...?
 
Okay I signed up on this forum just to jump into this conversation.

First, Absolute Zero is when all heat is completely removed from matter. All kinetic energy is gone meaning all known forms of energy may be gone. The problem with that is basically it does not disclude the idea (in a Whovian world) of life still existing. The Cold star presented in the recent 11th Doctor episodes should easily prove this point. It just proves the idea of energy being able to exist on an opposite scale that uses cold where heat is used in everything we know. So just because the pocket universe attains absolute zero it does not mean everything stops. Just all normal heat infused matter as we know ceases to exist.

Second, we may be looking at the pocket universe in a bit of a human way. The pocket universe may have different physical laws which is why the Doctor tests for gravity and such upon arriving to make sure the basic laws that Amy and Rory know of still apply so that they can survive. And if the laws of physics there are different then it is totally possible that time does not travel normally there in which case the TARDIS may not be able to travel in time the same way. It is conceivable to think that Sexy was stolen from the TARDIS before she had an opportunity to calibrate herself to the type of time flow that exists within the pocket universe. Hence the term Time And RELATIVE Dimension In Space.

However, assuming the TARDIS could calibrate to the pocket universe's flow of time it stands to reason once again that since the universe they know has a causal nexus because of the time continuum that any pocket universe that exists would also have one in relation to it's own flow of time. This easily means that just because the TARDIS could travel back in time to meet the Corsair it does not mean it is a good idea because this could throw the causal nexus into a state of disarray. The example of this is when Capt Jack makes his way back to earth with his Vortex Manipulator. He had to wait a few hundred years for a version of the Doctor to arrive that would correspond with a version of himself, otherwise he could create a tear in the time stream causing past and future events to leak upon the present. This is also why Captain Jack "visited" Rose a few times while she grew up, during his time on earth, but never interacted with her for the same reason.

There is also a reason why the Doctor does not cross his own timeline. Remember time in general in the Whovian mythology is non-linear. This means that it is a bit like imagining a cube (3 dimensional) within a sphere (the outside of the sphere being a higher dimension than time and inside the sphere being everything that must follow the rules of time)...which brings about the idea of wibbly wobbly. The Doctor does not intentionally cross his own timeline unless it naturally presents itself. Think of it this way time is an environment similar to the rules of Mother Nature or Gravity. Sometimes these systems can break their own rules for whatever purpose. So time can also lead the Doctor to cross his own timeline creating a naturally resolving paradox...(like a roller coaster that loops around itself and continuing on) the specific paradox is linear and unchanging but if you look at it from an outside vantage point it a naturally occurring phenomena. The reason the Doctor mostly does not ACTIVELY usually choose to cross his own timeline is because this could possibly create an irresolvable paradox which could create that pocket temporal dimension, in which those creatures come to eat all the time within to destroy the paradox from existence as a whole. But when he crosses his own timeline naturally (for example mini episode Time Crash) it becomes a linear event in which case each timeline bisects the other and continues on into the wibbly wobbly version of time. There are opportunities (as he can see all of time and space) in which case he can use the causal nexus, as it exists in our universe and our flow of time, to completely change the state of a future (or someone else's past in some cases apparently) but usually the action has to lead to the same overall result so it does not domino effect the "fixed points in time and space" in any adverse manner. Keep in mind he can try to effect the fixed points all he wants (The Waters of Mars) but as of yet there is no way they can be changed because (theoretical statement) maybe these events hold such a weight with the universe that if they were to change it would completely eradicate the causal nexus since so many future events would change because of it, essentially causing this dimension to crash into many other dimensions (dimensions being the ones that are separated by the Void...remember Voidstuff episodes?).

On to the next response. (Phew this is fun) The time war IS time locked but not all events leading in and out of it are. Once again only major events leading into it are. It is easy to guess that there are minor events that had no real bearing on it that are locked which is why that Dalek had an emergency temporal shift that helped him fly right into the heart of the time war because he found a small tributary of time that had no significant bearing on the time war which transported him in. So things like the creation of the Timelord Houses would be locked off where as the disappearances of the Cult of Skaro in the very beginnings would not have mattered considering they were a brain trust not any sort of active soldiers raining down doom in the Time War. You have to remember that although the Time War is a horrific event the Doctor does not lock it off because of the horror involved but because of the Terror the Timelords are about to inflict on the universe. They were going to become beings of pure energy and in doing so destroy 2/3 of this universe (and maybe multiple other universe's who knows) in the process, effectively wiping out trillions or quadrillions or quintillions of lives for their own purposes of escaping a war that brings thousands of timelords back to life and kills them again hundreds of times to test out thousands of temporal variations of the war. So the only truly necessary parts of the war which would have to be absolutely locked is anything involving a Timelord. He probably locks most of the rest off because he, being the benevolent Lonely God he is, wanted to spare the rest of the lower species the horror of multiple deaths because of the consequences of higher species inflicting pain on one another. The time lock also cannot effectively erase any species from history it does only as it states which is locks it off. This explains why the lock was being penetrated by The Master because he was a link with the Timelords while they were locked away. If the Time Lock DID erase them then that Wooden woman in Rose's first trip would not have known what a Timelord was and no one else in the universe would either.

Lastly, I think, the existence of more pocket universes is DEFINITELY a possibility. I would say there could be an almost infinite amount considering you cannot be limited in the number of possible choices being made at any given point in this dimensional variation of the universe that could create one, but the number is most certainly finite. It would have to be finite because the theory is that the Universe is an ever expanding and contracting big bang. This means that you would have to be traveling faster than the big bang to create a pocket universe because you would have to be able to escape into nothingness to do so. The number of sentient creatures in the universe being very large are still however a limited amount, which means the number with the capabilities to create a pocket universe would be very very limited as well.

I know this is tl & dr but meh. Have fun battling over all this.
 
I'm just going with the simplest explanation: the House is too dangerous an enemy. The Doctor was lucky enough to survive one encounter, why push fate?
 
Welcome The Other.

The Doctor could have asked Auntie for her arm, since she was dying anyway. Not sure how he could have managed it though. Anyway having a living part of the Corsair would have been a starting point at least.
 
I'm just going with the simplest explanation: the House is too dangerous an enemy. The Doctor was lucky enough to survive one encounter, why push fate?

Since when have you known anything the Doctor does to be that simple. More often than not he is wonderfully clever and ridiculously ingenuously overcomplicated.
 
I'm just going with the simplest explanation: the House is too dangerous an enemy. The Doctor was lucky enough to survive one encounter, why push fate?

Since when have you known anything the Doctor does to be that simple. More often than not he is wonderfully clever and ridiculously ingenuously overcomplicated.

The Doctor doesn't unnecessarily tempt fate. He doesn't actively seek out danger. He barely survived one encounter with the House, he's not going to risk a second.
 
I'm just going with the simplest explanation: the House is too dangerous an enemy. The Doctor was lucky enough to survive one encounter, why push fate?

Since when have you known anything the Doctor does to be that simple. More often than not he is wonderfully clever and ridiculously ingenuously overcomplicated.

The Doctor doesn't unnecessarily tempt fate. He doesn't actively seek out danger. He barely survived one encounter with the House, he's not going to risk a second.

I think you misunderstood me....I also think you happily skimmed my tl;dr. LoL :lol:

I agreed with you in saying the Doctor would not do it but the explanation is not because of something that ridiculously simple. How often does the Doctor choose to face an enemy that is by all means beyond his capabilities? Quite frequently in fact. BUT the actual reason he may choose not to go back would have very little to do with that. If you really want a good reason take a minute and read the multiple responses to the different posts I wrote. My 1st post.
 
If you really want a good reason take a minute and read the multiple responses to the different posts I wrote.

We can never go back.

Spoken like a true 3rd dimensional being traveling only one way in a bidirectional 4th dimensional universe seeing only a few perceived options in 5th dimension unfiltered multiverse.

We should all start thinking a little more 11th dimensionally in an ever growing M perception.
 
We already know, without a doubt, that the Time Lock can be unlocked. It very nearly happened once until the Doctor and the Master stopped it. We also know that it's possible (even if it drives you mad) to break in through sheer, brute force.

So yes, the Time Lords can return whenever the writers deem it a worthy story idea. Either the insane ones currently trapped in the Time Lock (which hasn't killed them at all; they're just in some weird perpetual state of being), or a whole new society handpicked by the Doctor or whoever else. The former is probably the more likely route, and the only real difficulty is that the Doctor would have to find a way to oust Crazy McScrewedinthehead and his loyal supporters (as opposed to those who were just afraid to go against him).

But even the latter isn't completely out there. It's not like the Doctor hasn't influenced Time Lord society at least once before (<cough>The Other<cough>), and there's certainly nothing stopping him from doing it again.
 
I can see Time Lords returning. And the Doctor was Lord President for a short while so you are right in saying he has influenced them (on multiple occasions in fact....hell Time Locking them would be a big one). I just don't think it wouldn't be conceivable (based on prior experiences of the Doctor's own rationale) for him to try to track down timelords in the pocket universe. In this case MOSTLY for the structural reason of time and space in that pocket (references to my 1st post again). But admittedly on any occasion there is even a hint of Time Lords returning he gets uber giddy. So I can totally see him involved in them coming back in some form.
 
I get the feeling The Time Lords won't be back in the series, at least under Steven Moffat's tenure. That being said, I live in hope that The Time Lords will return as the series antagonist. Also, I have hope that if Steven Moffat is the huge classic Doctor Who nerd he claims to be, he will want to bring The Time Lords back at some point.

I don't necessary see the return of The Time Lords as part of this season's plan but I've been wrong before.
 
I happen to agree. I do not think they WILL (as a group atleast) return under Moffat's tenure, but I can see it happening sooner or later. I CAN say only one thing though which is this...if they are brought back it will take some serious scrutiny in exactly how they create that storyline for one. And two Matt Smith could not pull it off nearly as well as...anyone else (David Tennant would have truly been the Doctor of choice to pull it off). It would take some serious stage presence and acting to get it done and unfortunately to me Matt Smith does not exude the ancient mystic feel necessary. Lastly, if by the off chance they are brought back as an antagonist RTD would have to be a co-writer in this story. In the End of Time specials he truly brought a unique feel, in tandem with Tennant's acting, to the mysticism that the Time Lord race is supposed to put forth. It would require a special type of writing to cause you to sympathize with the Doctor especially considering no matter what way you write it you can honestly see ahead of time that the Doctor's emotions would clearly conflict with his choices in his attempts to stop whatever evil plot they come up with, well if they come back as antagonists.
 
The Doctor doesn't unnecessarily tempt fate. He doesn't actively seek out danger.

I'm sorry, have we been watching the same show? :wtf:

Because that's precisely what he does, every episode.

You don't waltz out in front of a room filled with Daleks without at least the slightest worry that this time they might actually shoot you. Nor do you go through a time corridor to say "boo!" to Sutekh the Destroyer and NOT expect that there will be unpleasant consequences.
 
I And two Matt Smith could not pull it off nearly as well as...anyone else (David Tennant would have truly been the Doctor of choice to pull it off). It would take some serious stage presence and acting to get it done and unfortunately to me Matt Smith does not exude the ancient mystic feel necessary. .

Total codswallop.
 
Smith does ancient and mystic better than Tennant ever did, he also does it far more naturally. Tennant's playing the Doctor, Smith just is the Doctor.
 
Smith does ancient and mystic better than Tennant ever did, he also does it far more naturally. Tennant's playing the Doctor, Smith just is the Doctor.

I recently heard the same thing from a friend of mine and it's a thought that's been rattling around in my head. Matt Smith really does seem to channel the character better than anyone before him. Also, as for him not being a good enough actor to be in a Time Lord's return story, that's a crock. I really don't think there is anything he couldn't pull off if given the right material.
 
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