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Has "Supernatural" run its course?
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Ah the tacky old Holywood "Hero comes back to life" ending?
I haven't read the whole thread because I don't want to be spoiled for stuff I haven't seen. However, I thought that the "alternative universe" episode (don't know the title) was well thought out. I say this because at the end of the preceeding episode Dean is pretty defeated. I thought it was a clever way to get him back in the fight without an episode of introspection, which is what we looked like we were in for. I've enjoyed this season a great deal, but then I've enjoyed them all a great deal.
It was called It's A Terrible Life.
There's been plenty to like about this season, I felt. Sure there was a few iffy episodes, but in general I think this may have been the best season so far.
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I agree with sidious; they hit all the right notes with the final five eppies. Tulin, Thrall, Tulin, Thrall....
True, but Jensen did say in the EW cover article that the CW would have to back up the Brinks truck to the door filled with money to get him for a sixth, and Jared was pretty emphatic that they want to go out with the audience wanting more, not with the audience thinking they'd done too much. It's not that either of them are arrogant; they're just being honest in that they care about the show's content and that it's hard to be away from their families (in Jensen's case, his sort of fiancée) for 9 months out of the year in Vancouver. Let's face it--Dawn O and the suits aren't going to back up the Brinks truck. They cut the budget for this season, and they haven't increased the budget for next season in spite of the ratings increase. You're right. For some reason, SPN doesn't hit the 18-34 female demo in the Nielsen households, so the CW isn't going to pony up a dime. If it ain't young fans with boobs, the CW doesn't care. It's going to follow that formula into bankruptcy court. In fact, have they cut the budget for next fall? Maybe not cutting it is the CW's sign of "love."
The most zealous of the fangirls would like to go back to the season one formula--don't ask me why. I don't think they can go back. At some point the show became more about the characters than the urban legends. Kripke went with his strengths. I can appreciate that. I'm very leery of them trying to produce the show without him. I hope that Jensen and Jared say "no" to season six. I hope they have the option to say no. If that leaves Dawn O and the CW suits twisting in the wind, too bad.
Both guys have also said that the comments in the EW article were taking out of context.
If they are contacted for a sixth year (again thats an if), their contract might have a bump for the sixth year (it isn't unheard of). The few I have heard of give a raise to the talent, but one usually less then if they had to fully renegotiate a contract.
And no I don't blame the guys for waiting a softer schedule, or working close to home.
But the simply truth is very few working actors give up their steady paycheck at the end of their first contract.
Including those in Vancouver. Usually it is a bargaining tactic.
Of course there are several variables, they state of each ones individual finances, the amount of legitimate offers they feel they have had to miss out on, ect.
While I have been playing devil's advocate for the possibility of a season 6, it isn't because of my personal preference (I think I would be happy either way, if the quality is there).
One thing is very interesting is that even with a cast and a creator very upfront with season 5 being a perfect place to end the show, the CW puts Smallville (sure its more expensive, but just its the difference in its DVD sales probably covers that as it sales are more then 4 times what Supernaturals are) on Friday.
The show showed impressive growth this year (including in the general 18-34 and in the more specific w 18-34) and they are now going to pair it with a show that will probably give it a much higher w 18-34 lead in then Smallville did.
I honestly wonder if they feel Supernatural will benefit from this like it did when it followed Gilmore Girls, because the show seriously did great in the female demos then.
If that can occur (a continued increase in those two very important demos), I think the CW (if its survives) would certainly try and keep the show on, including uping the price for its key crew (ie not everyone, just above the line talent, because yes still bastards).
I think its something that will be very interesting to watch in the first three months of next season.
What can I say? I still fear that a sixth season will be disastrous. You've got to remember, mswood, both of these men actually have a chance at a real career after Supernatural. Tom Welling doesn't. Every year they stay, especially Ackles, the typecasting possibility becomes more and more real. These two men have incredible range. It'd be a shame to see the highlight of their careers be on the CW.
If there's only five seasons and Kripke knows there's only five seasons then he can GO FOR IT. Throw everything into the story and DON'T HOLD BACK. Be shocking. Be dramatic. But.....if there's a season six suddenly granted he'll have to hold back.....don't go for it.....gotta streeeeetch out that story. I don't want that.
If there's only five seasons and Kripke knows there's only five seasons then he can GO FOR IT. Throw everything into the story and DON'T HOLD BACK. Be shocking. Be dramatic. But.....if there's a season six suddenly granted he'll have to hold back.....don't go for it.....gotta streeeeetch out that story. I don't want that.
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It has it's good and bad moments, but definitely can carry on for another season at least.
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The Monster at the End of this Book was a great ep, perfectly written balance of humour and action, plus the best chance for in-jokes which they pulled off flawlessly.
The following episode though (Jump the Shark) was a dud, really slow paced and didn't keep the pace of the previous episode.
I was really enjoying the season up until the last ten minutes of the finale when Ruby did what she did and then we get that feckin' cliffhanger. I really wanted a conclusion to the Lucifer arc, unless that's what next season will be about (literally hell on Earth).
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The Monster at the End of this Book was a great ep, perfectly written balance of humour and action, plus the best chance for in-jokes which they pulled off flawlessly.
The following episode though (Jump the Shark) was a dud, really slow paced and didn't keep the pace of the previous episode.
I was really enjoying the season up until the last ten minutes of the finale when Ruby did what she did and then we get that feckin' cliffhanger. I really wanted a conclusion to the Lucifer arc, unless that's what next season will be about (literally hell on Earth).
While I'm against a sixth season for Supernatural one thing I would not mind at least checking out is a spinoff starring Cass and the other angels. I think the character is really cool and could probably carry his own show and I like the take on the angels-as-dicks concept.
And if the suits at the CW are really desperate to find some way to continue Supernatural without Jensen and Jared then aside from idiotic recasting or coming up with unknown Winchesters (which was alluded to in Jump the Shark), Cass and co. would be one way to go.
And if the suits at the CW are really desperate to find some way to continue Supernatural without Jensen and Jared then aside from idiotic recasting or coming up with unknown Winchesters (which was alluded to in Jump the Shark), Cass and co. would be one way to go.
I actually really like this idea and think it would be quite a cool premise for a series.
To be honest I keep hoping that someone will adapt Mike Carey's Comic series: Lucifer into a limited series but failing that a spinoff starring Cass as an Angel who forsakes his place in Heaven and chooses to live his own life while clashing with various God's, demons and other angels from his past has great story potential.
Either that or the Western prequel concept that was touted a while back would be pretty cool too.
Though given the depictions of angels on the show I get the feeling that Kripke may actually have read either Gaiman's Sandman series or Carey's Lucifer and drawn some inspiration from them.
Just watched the SN book/Prophet episode last night.
I have to admit, this was GREAT!!!
I laughed my arse off at all the slash/net posting references. I wondered if the writers were not checking mswood's and dorian's slightly obsessive posts about the show and the boys!!!
Only thing that shitted me off was when they basically tipped Lillith off to the arrival of the archangel. I was SCREAMING at the telly.......OH Let's warn our mortal enemy that the vessel of her destruction is about to arrive so she can get away JUST in time!!!"
That was REALLY lame.
I have to admit, this was GREAT!!!
I laughed my arse off at all the slash/net posting references. I wondered if the writers were not checking mswood's and dorian's slightly obsessive posts about the show and the boys!!!
Only thing that shitted me off was when they basically tipped Lillith off to the arrival of the archangel. I was SCREAMING at the telly.......OH Let's warn our mortal enemy that the vessel of her destruction is about to arrive so she can get away JUST in time!!!"
That was REALLY lame.
Well the writers have been put in that position really pretty much every season for what they can do and what they can't just in case the show doesn't get picked up. And usually right near the end tehy get an idea of if its going to happen or not.
Thats why I think they really need to pay attention to how the show performs in its first 8 episodes and how the rest of the lineup performs in that same time.
And we also have to understand that teh network does see and approve every script, Kripke and cast might want to go guns blazing (so to speak) and not be allowed to do that.
If it gets to teh point where the CW suits think its is very possibe for a renewal I would expect them to start giving a few more notes about what can and can't be done.
Unfortunately it is part of the business, and one they have absolutely no power over.
Has to the guys chances of a significant career, thats always up in the air. Some very talent actors and actresses never seem to break out, while some exceptionally talentless people manage to have significant careers.
As much as I think Jared as improved, I honestly don't think he will break out. Jensen might, but he might not.
Oh and I certainly wouldn't wish them to be Tom Welling...
But really there aren't many actors that can immediately breakout into other parts (be it film or tv), and some that we think shouldn't have any problems seem to never find a real fit in anything else.
I do hope that whenever the show does end (be it 5th or 6th season), that the talent can be successful in other ventures.
But assume the this case. Assume the CW does pick it up for a 6th season, and Kripke does turn it down, if the guys are contracted do you think they would or should break their contract?
After being on the bubble for so long, the success its had this year, could seriously change the networks plan for the show, and if the guys are contracted for a 6th then I wouldn't want to be in the guys position.
Again if it comes to that (and it really easily could), I hope Kripke would stay, and I hope they would get enough lead time to know it.
My guess is season 5 will be it. There really is nowhere left for them to go. I can only guess how the series will end (be it season 5 or not) but it'll almost certainly be a blazing finale and a concrete end to their hunting (ie; they're dead or there's nothing left to hunt).
I like and dread the idea of a season 6 or a spin off. It's almost always a disaster in either case with the rare exception that a series goes on past it's intended end or the spin off is a success. Supernatural is a great series and ideally it would go on for a lot longer but it has to end some time and it's better to end on the much desired high note rather than pull an X-Files or Seinfeld.
I like and dread the idea of a season 6 or a spin off. It's almost always a disaster in either case with the rare exception that a series goes on past it's intended end or the spin off is a success. Supernatural is a great series and ideally it would go on for a lot longer but it has to end some time and it's better to end on the much desired high note rather than pull an X-Files or Seinfeld.
I have to admit that I will miss my favourite show after next season 
but I don't want it to become the next "Smallville" (that show should have died, like, four seasons ago).
I'd rather have "Supernatural" go out with a bang next season than it dragging on for a season six just because the CW wants to make some more money.
but I don't want it to become the next "Smallville" (that show should have died, like, four seasons ago). I'd rather have "Supernatural" go out with a bang next season than it dragging on for a season six just because the CW wants to make some more money.
I hear you, Opal1. I hear you.
Hey, hey hey, now, Dorian never did the Wincest thing. That is one place I will not go.
Brothers doing it. Ick.
Told you that you'd love the episode, though, Tulin. I could easily put it on my top five list for the series as a whole. I really enjoyed the "Jump the Shark" episode, though. Its ending was so stark and sad with Dean's "you can take it however you like" remark to Sam. Major ouch.
I laughed my arse off at all the slash/net posting references. I wondered if the writers were not checking mswood's and dorian's slightly obsessive posts about the show and the boys!!!
Hey, hey hey, now, Dorian never did the Wincest thing. That is one place I will not go.
Brothers doing it. Ick.
Told you that you'd love the episode, though, Tulin. I could easily put it on my top five list for the series as a whole. I really enjoyed the "Jump the Shark" episode, though. Its ending was so stark and sad with Dean's "you can take it however you like" remark to Sam. Major ouch.
Well I have done the Dean thing (Twins), and it never really occurred to me (until years later) that they weren't just touching me...
But yeah Sam/Dean just wrong on so many levels. Now Jared/Jensen if that was happening in real life, I would be damn thats got to be hot (and I want pictures, or better yet video).
But not only the brothers, but Dean in ways raised the kid, so that puts even another level of yuck to the equation.
But yeah Sam/Dean just wrong on so many levels. Now Jared/Jensen if that was happening in real life, I would be damn thats got to be hot (and I want pictures, or better yet video).
But not only the brothers, but Dean in ways raised the kid, so that puts even another level of yuck to the equation.
Exactly. Dean was a surrogate father to Sam in too many ways for me to ever consider it anything but disgusting. As for Jensen and Jared, I'm afraid that Jensen is quite hetero, mswood. Sorry, dude. 
The lesson of Supernatural, to me, seems to be that one must think for himself/herself while doing his best for others. It's all a very reform Judaism perspective. Kripke's Jewish, isn't he? So's Sera Gamble.
