Has Star Trek lost it's moral relevance?

[clint g]

I think its the other way around. The most recent film has a lot of relevance in it. The whole theme about the role of family very prominent feature in Trek XI. I dont want to get too into spoilers but Spocks parents and Kirks parents both played a defining role in how both characters developed and it sucks how many reviewers seem to be ignoring the very well crafted family sub-plot in the film. Sure it had lots of splosions and phasers but it also had quite a bit of substance and relevance to it as well.

 

[Cheapjack]

Going back to have a quick look on the official site library:

I don't think that 'Justice' was simplistice at all. Quite a sophisiticated message on absolulte law and observing other cultures.

It amazes me sometimes. I suppose you have to keep checking on what you have learned from years of experience. I suppose I will have to have a quick check tommorow, when I get up, to make sure the sun has risen!

 

[JoeZhang]

Going back to have a quick look on the official site library:

I don't think that 'Justice' was simplistice at all. Quite a sophisiticated message on absolulte law and observing other cultures.

It amazes me sometimes. I suppose you have to keep checking on what you have learned from years of experience. I suppose I will have to have a quick check tommorow, when I get up, to make sure the sun has risen!

Have you ever considered how patronising you sound? Every post either contains a dig at other posters like you are giving a lecture to small children or a comment that is intended to be "I'm brilliant me! brilliant!"

 

[Cheapjack]

Going back to have a quick look on the official site library:

I don't think that 'Justice' was simplistice at all. Quite a sophisiticated message on absolulte law and observing other cultures.

It amazes me sometimes. I suppose you have to keep checking on what you have learned from years of experience. I suppose I will have to have a quick check tommorow, when I get up, to make sure the sun has risen!

Have you ever considered how patronising you sound? Every post either contains a dig at other posters like you are giving a lecture to small children or a comment that is intended to be "I'm brilliant me! brilliant!"

I'm sorry if that's the case, but you're a little patronising too. You say that ST has childish morality. It's always interesting though, to have people challenge your beliefs.

ST isn't a morality show! Psaw!

Thank you.

 

[Butters]

Going back to have a quick look on the official site library:

I don't think that 'Justice' was simplistice at all. Quite a sophisiticated message on absolulte law and observing other cultures.

It amazes me sometimes. I suppose you have to keep checking on what you have learned from years of experience. I suppose I will have to have a quick check tommorow, when I get up, to make sure the sun has risen!

Think you should review your understanding of "simplistic" and "sophisticated"

That message of absolute law and observing other cultures is more like the episode synopsis than a subtle underlying meaningfulness that is oft attributed to the great works of Trek.

Walk on the grass - You Die
Screw you - oh no - big alien god thing

Yeah, better pay attention to that story, might miss its message if gets any more sophisticated.

 

[Misfit Toy]

It seems to me that the only people who would object to a show with a message are the immoral or amoral.

Who is objecting?

 

[Loqutus]

Yes. Gene always tried to write in moral implications. No one else seems to be doing that anymore

 

[Dancing Doctor]

I have to put in my two-pennorth.

ST is a morality show. Gene Roddenberry said that's what he intended it to be in 1964. That's what it has been to date.

Morality is a good thing. It attempts to modify the behaviour of human beings for the good of others.

So there.

Hear, hear.

After reading the article I do have to say I find it spot on. Before the IMAX showing yesterday, a guy from the local Trek fan club made a short speech about Trek history. He started from the very beginning, from they days when The Cage was not approved by the studio since it was "too cerebral". He talked of the current day issues Star Trek was able to raise because it was science fiction.

Seeing the film after the speech made me think. Yeah, this sure isn't your father's Star Trek anymore. Wish I could decide whether it's mine.

100% agree.

One thing I thought was striking was how Pike went on about how the Federation is all about peace and exploration and that Nero is wrong...and yet most if not all of the crew that speak seem to enjoy the aggressive actions and space combat going on, and there's not even a momentary hesitation.

Too often Trek has talked a big game about evolution and advancement and enlightenment, and then gone on to engage in aggressive actions.

One concern I've had about the new movie is that it will draw people to Trek because of "teh ackshun", but when those new to Trek look around at the rest of it they'll drop it because it's not all action and fighting.

 

[Count Zero]

One thing I thought was striking was how Pike went on about how the Federation is all about peace and exploration and that Nero is wrong...and yet most if not all of the crew that speak seem to enjoy the aggressive actions and space combat going on, and there's not even a momentary hesitation.

Which is pretty much in line with TOS. Avoiding violence and combat (and even going out of its way to do so) was the hallmark of modern Trek. Besides, the story of the movie didn't leave any room for ambiguities.

Spoiler: Trek XI

Kirk offered Nero lenience, after all, but he refused.

That's more of a chance than the chief villain in Insurrection got...

 

[Judas Ascendant]

Not this

For the most part, original Trek was a straightforward, fun, well-produced action/adventure show. And that's not something to be ashamed of - very few TV programs can achieve that.

That sums up my feelings. TOS' exploration of race and other issues was simplistic even for the era it was aired in. For instance: race issues being boiled down to differences in skin color...

I'll give GR credit for at least trying to same something about an issue though...

 

[I am not Spock]

That's why I've always liked Trek much more than Wars.

Wars has the action and the eye candy, sure, but no real substance. Trek at least makes you think, a bit.