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Has Phoenix found something more compelling than Water?

If life formed on two planets in one solar system, that means Earth isn't as special as we once thought. Life forming on 2 planets, no matter how simple and small or how long ago, makes the odds of a life-filled universe far better than you would suggest.

Life didn't just form. Life was created by God.
 
If life formed on two planets in one solar system, that means Earth isn't as special as we once thought. Life forming on 2 planets, no matter how simple and small or how long ago, makes the odds of a life-filled universe far better than you would suggest.

Life didn't just form. Life was created by God.
God is neither science nor technology, nor does evidence exist to support his very existence, therefore he has no place in this sub-forum. Thank you, and have a nice day.
 
If life formed on two planets in one solar system, that means Earth isn't as special as we once thought.
That's quite a conclusion to jump to. Even if one takes the position that microbial life is ubiquitous throughout the Universe, it doesn't suggest that complex intelligent life is common. So the 'specialness' of Earth can't be measured by finding microbes on Mars.



And how was God created?
I don't know, how was the Universe created? Maybe it just is. Maybe God just is.

We can ask ourselves why anything exists. Why was Something able to be born from absolute Nothingness? And if the Universe has always existed, then why should it have always existed? Why shouldn't there have been absolute nothingness for all of eternity?

If you can believe in a Universe created from Nothing, or in an everlasting and eternal Universe that exists "just because", then belief in God shouldn't be difficult.

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If you're thinking the only worthwhile reason to hold a newser or briefing is because we found the skeleton of some advanced species, you're going to be disapointed.
No, I think finding the ruins of an ancient city on Mars would be just as newsworthy.

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That would pretty much require an archaeological dig, which no rover is equipped to conduct. The odds of that kind of evidence randomly being near one of the rovers are astronomical, especially with the idea that life on Mars--if it existed--was billions of years ago.
 
We can ask ourselves why anything exists. Why was Something able to be born from absolute Nothingness? And if the Universe has always existed, then why should it have always existed? Why shouldn't there have been absolute nothingness for all of eternity?

The least mind-bending answer to this that I've heard is that this isn't the first Universe. That, in fact, this one formed immediately after the collapse of the last. That there may have been countless universes stretching back beyond the meaning of time; and that we exist in this one merely because, by chance, this one has the right conditions to bring about life.
 
If you can believe in a Universe created from Nothing, or in an everlasting and eternal Universe that exists "just because", then belief in God shouldn't be difficult.

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I neither believe in an "everlasting" universe, nor one that was created from nothing. I think our base knowledge is presently insufficient to explain the origin of the fundamental components from which the universe developed and which constituted the materials for the Big Bang (presuming that theory is correct). Further, to suggest that this universe exists as an off-shoot from another simply begs the question, "where did THAT universe come from?"

It is simpy beyond our current ability to reckon.

As to belief in "God" not being difficult--I disagree. The main difference is that the universe is undeniably HERE. It exists (unless one wishes to retreat into philosophy and claim all is an illusion or some such chatter). Since the universe incontravertibly is REAL, half the equation is already resolved. We don;t need to confirm the universe exists--we merely need to consider and account for its origins.

As far as "God" is concerned, not only are the origins unaccounted for, the reality of God has not been demonstrated to be real. I submit it is a far more trying proposition to attempt to account for the origin of something which has not been demonstrated to be real at all. One may as well ask what was the name of Charlie Brown's first ancestor to live in the New World. It makes no sense . . .
 
I neither believe in an "everlasting" universe, nor one that was created from nothing.... Further, to suggest that this universe exists as an off-shoot from another simply begs the question, "where did THAT universe come from?"

...the universe is undeniably HERE. It exists...

It is simpy beyond our current ability to reckon.
And likely always will be.

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I neither believe in an "everlasting" universe, nor one that was created from nothing.... Further, to suggest that this universe exists as an off-shoot from another simply begs the question, "where did THAT universe come from?"

...the universe is undeniably HERE. It exists...

It is simpy beyond our current ability to reckon.
And likely always will be.

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Yet, I do believe there is an objective, reasonable and wholly natural explanation for it all. Just because an answer remains unknown to us does NOT invalidate the question nor disqualify the answer from being truth.
 
If you're thinking the only worthwhile reason to hold a newser or briefing is because we found the skeleton of some advanced species, you're going to be disapointed.
No, I think finding the ruins of an ancient city on Mars would be just as newsworthy.
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If that's your threshold for "really newsworthy" then there will never be anything newsworthy discovered by space exploration in our solar system. :lol:
 
And how was God created?

He has always existed.

I want to say before I go any further that I am not trying to insult any religions here. I'm trying to put forth a scientific theory behind possible origins for the entity that we call "God."

While I'm not usually one to shy away from a good metaphysical discussion, let me try to throw this into the realms of the scientific here. If we accept that God has always existed, then he/she (depending on your faith) must exist outside the known dimension of time, correct? This would indicate that the entity that we call God should be able to walk through the temporal dimension much as we would walk through the three spatial dimensions, no?

I mean, it's been a while since I read Flatland, but if we look at what's known, then could what we call God be an extradimensional being who once had an effect on our four dimensional world?
 
It is impossible to measure God scientifically, but I would say that He is omnipresent in all dimensions.
 
And how was God created?

He has always existed.

I want to say before I go any further that I am not trying to insult any religions here. I'm trying to put forth a scientific theory behind possible origins for the entity that we call "God."

While I'm not usually one to shy away from a good metaphysical discussion, let me try to throw this into the realms of the scientific here. If we accept that God has always existed, then he/she (depending on your faith) must exist outside the known dimension of time, correct? This would indicate that the entity that we call God should be able to walk through the temporal dimension much as we would walk through the three spatial dimensions, no?

I mean, it's been a while since I read Flatland, but if we look at what's known, then could what we call God be an extradimensional being who once had an effect on our four dimensional world?

I often wonder about this kind of stuff... who created the existence God is part of? And who created God? Who are God's parents? And who created those who created God?

BTW, I AM religious, I just find it thought-provoking to ponder these kinds of questions.
 
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