Has it been established anywhere in STAR WARS canon that

[Mutara Nebula 1967]

...the Stormtroopers scene in the orginal three movies are a mixture of clones and normal non clone Imperial citizens or are they all clones as well?

 

[blaXXer]

Yep, they are a mixture of several clone templates (apart from Jango Fett) and non-clone recruits. You may want to check the wookiepedia on that issue, it has all relevant sources neatly listed.

 

[Hicks]

Considering how in the OT all of the Stormtroopers sounded the same, they probably should have said they were still all clones, just of someone other than Jango.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Considering how in the OT all of the Stormtroopers sounded the same, they probably should have said they were still all clones, just of someone other than Jango.

I didn't think they sounded all alike.

In any case, even in the Special Editions, they weren't dubbed over with Temuera Morrison's voice (unlike Boba) so it seems that the ones in the OT - the ones that spoke, anyway - aren't Jango clones.

 

[Hartzilla2007]

Well I'm not sure if this counts but after the mission in battlefront 2 where the 501st puts down a clone rebellion on Kamino the narrator says the Empire began using more clone templates believing that by not using only one template it that another clone rebellion wouldn't occur.

 

[Plomeek Broth]

What was the selling point of becoming a Stormtrooper? You could fight for evil? Great medical benefits?

 

[Lt. Trull]

What was the selling point of becoming a Stormtrooper? You could fight for evil? Great medical benefits?

that would be to go to great new places meet new people and kill them.... just like the us marine corp... then theirs always the ability to get away from your current stinking situation.

 

[captcalhoun]

depends how you define 'canon'.

Lucas canon (IE the movies and the new 'toon.): No, not yet.

EU-canon: yup. Republic Commando: Order 66 deals in part with non-Kamino produced Fett clones and mentions non-Fett clones, whilst the 2nd thru 4th RC novels make mention of 'mongrels' serving as officers aboard fleet ships.

 

[Morfius]

What was the selling point of becoming a Stormtrooper? You could fight for evil? Great medical benefits?

Throughout history people have volunteered to be Nazi Stormtroopers, soviet soldiers, DEA agents and even Al-Queeda Suicide pilots.
All the people believe that their service will make the world a better place.

 

[blaXXer]

Considering how in the OT all of the Stormtroopers sounded the same, they probably should have said they were still all clones, just of someone other than Jango.

I didn't think they sounded all alike.

In any case, even in the Special Editions, they weren't dubbed over with Temuera Morrison's voice (unlike Boba) so it seems that the ones in the OT - the ones that spoke, anyway - aren't Jango clones.

Well in the OT, most of the Stormtroopers seen would have been members of the 501st or "Vader's Fist", they were still mostly clones.

 

[nx1701g]

Wookiepedia: Star Wars Canon Explained

 

[T'Baio]

Wookiepedia: Star Wars Canon Explained

Thank you for that. I've now found my new favourite quote;

LUCAS: "I've left pretty explicit instructions for there not to be any more features. There will definitely be no Episodes VII-IX. That's because there isn't any story. I mean, I never thought of anything. And now there have been novels about the events after Episode VI, which isn't at all what I would have done with it. The Star Wars story is really the tragedy of Darth Vader. That is the story. Once Vader dies, he doesn't come back to life, the Emperor doesn't get cloned and Luke doesn't get married..."

The bolding, obviously, is mine. That's so awesome.

 

[blaXXer]

Wookiepedia: Star Wars Canon Explained

Thank you for that. I've now found my new favourite quote;

LUCAS: "I've left pretty explicit instructions for there not to be any more features. There will definitely be no Episodes VII-IX. That's because there isn't any story. I mean, I never thought of anything. And now there have been novels about the events after Episode VI, which isn't at all what I would have done with it. The Star Wars story is really the tragedy of Darth Vader. That is the story. Once Vader dies, he doesn't come back to life, the Emperor doesn't get cloned and Luke doesn't get married..."

The bolding, obviously, is mine. That's so awesome.

Pff, you'Ve been missing out on much. The EU, that is, especially the comics (read: Legacy und KOTOR) are full of awesome, right now.

Funny thing, same year, same man, different opinion:

Lucas: "But there's no story past Episode VI, there's just no story. It's a certain story about Anakin Skywalker and once Anakin Skywalker dies, that's kind of the end of the story. There is no story about Luke Skywalker, I mean apart from the books. But there's three worlds: There's my world that I made up, there's the licensing world that's the books, the comics, all that kind of stuff, the games, which is their world, and then there's the fans' world, which is also very rich in imagination, but they don't always mesh. All I'm in charge of is my world. I can't be in charge of those other people's world, because I can't keep up with it."

 

[darkwing_duck1]

Never mind that it's revisionism on Lucas' part because he said for YEARS he had a "trilogy of trilogies" to tell.

 

[Tulin]

^ Indeed.

Go read old Starlogs and he constantly references the three trilogies. I have given up on the man. While I have no love for the EU, it makes me laugh that he basically shits on it whilst putting his hand out for the licensing and royalty fees.

 

[Hermiod]

^ Indeed.

Go read old Starlogs and he constantly references the three trilogies. I have given up on the man. While I have no love for the EU, it makes me laugh that he basically shits on it whilst putting his hand out for the licensing and royalty fees.

That's nothing Star Trek or anything else with licensed "expansion" merchandise doesn't do.

 

[The Wormhole]

Didn't Lucas once say in one of the prequel DVD commentaries that the Stormtroopers of the original trilogy were in fact clones?

 

[Racer_X]

I wouldn't be surprised if he did; the idea's been around for a while. The earliest source I am aware of that states Stormtroopers were clones was the Star Wars Poster Magazine, issue #4, from 1977/78. In it, an article called "Soldiers of the Empire" documents how they are created, trained, etc. I have a copy at home somewhere, but am on travel now. If I remember, I'll try to scan it in and post it.

 

[Hermiod]

Lucas is allowed to change his mind. He has made changing the films a matter of routine. His opinion that nothing that is not in the latest version of the films is canon is entirely reasonable. Yes, certain changes involving the consequences of a conversation between a particular smuggler and a Rodian bounty hunter in a cantina on Tattooine might be controversial, but they're still Lucas' films.

That means that if he says the Stormtroopers are all clones one minute and then changes his mind, it doesn't really matter because it hasn't been established either way in latest versions of the films.

The Expanded Universe says that they're not all clones by the time we get to A New Hope and in the absence of any evidence in the films to suggest that the EU is wrong, I am happy to accept that.

I'm also happy to accept that there are two forms of Star Wars canon, the films and the flims + the expanded universe.

 

[Stevil2001]

Lucas: "It's a certain story about Anakin Skywalker and once Anakin Skywalker dies, that's kind of the end of the story. "

That must be why George Lucas didn't give the novelization of the first film a misleading title like, say, From the Adventures of Luke Skywalker. Wouldn't want anyone thinking the story was actually about its main character, after all.