In Nemesis, Admiral Janeway should of been Admiral Berman. Why not? Harve Bennett made himself Admiral in Star Trek V, so why didn't Berman make a cameo? He helmed Trek a lot longer then Bennett did.
Harve Bennett did it, so why not Berman?
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Bennett didn't "make himself" an admiral. William Shatner did and, as director, he coerced and teased the producer to take the cameo role.
Many of the production crew of DS9 and ENT made onscreen cameos in their finales. Nothing new in that.
This may sound bitter and paranoid, but I think it's just another example of the people behind Star Trek at the time showing how much they WRONGFULLY had more reverance for Voyager than Deep Space Nine. Like the way they always promoted Voyager more than Deep Space Nine when both were airring and considered Voyager to be the 'flagship show' of the United Paramount Network. Okay, Sisko was a prophet by that time, but like I said when suggesting a Dax cameo, it could have taken place before the end of DS9. 
No, that's just incorrect fan theory.
Huh? For one, DS9 did not air on UPN. Ever.
Also, true, they were both airing at the same time, but the reason, it seems, that Voyager got more promotion was because it was on a brand-new network and was the flagship show of that network. Of course UPN is going to show lots of promos for the show. They wanted to get people to watch their network.
DS9, on the other hand, wasn't on a network. It was up to each syndicated market to promote the show and they did not necessarily have any duty to it the way a network would.
TPTB with Trek, such as Berman and Co., had no real say when it came to promos and how many they aired.
Of all the characters in 24th Century Trek to appear in that scene, Janeway made the most sense.Okay, Sisko was a prophet by that time, but like I said when suggesting a Dax cameo, it could have taken place before the end of DS9.
Besides, who cares? It was a throwaway scene that could have been played by Nameless Admiral #87639. Instead, they dropped from fan-wink.
Then again, if it was a DS9 cameo, I suspect angry Voyager fans would complain.
^^^ That's funny, too, because when both series were on at the same time I found myself watching DS9 more then Voyager because I found it more enjoyable. Then when DS9 ended, I was forced to watch Voyager since it was the only Trek show on the air at the time. Voyager got to be better towards its later seasons, which kept me watching it until the end.
This may sound bitter and paranoid, but I think it's just another example of the people behind Star Trek at the time showing how much they WRONGFULLY had more reverance for Voyager than Deep Space Nine.
The Admiral Janeway scene was originally conceived as Seven of Nine offering technical advice to Picard, mainly because, at the time, Jeri Ryan was arguably the most popular and headline grabbing ST character around who could be brought into a cameo that might get some media interest. Ryan wasn't interested, so they rewriote the scene as an Admiral giving orders to Picard, and managed to secure Kate Mulgrew to do it.
Why choose Ezri Dax when she was only in DS9 for a year?
Not me dude! when DS9 ended, I jumped off the train wreck that was now ( at that time ) MODERN TREK and said, VOYAGER you're on your own.
And that was it for my trek veiwing till ENTERPRISE 
No, I meant Jadzia. But then it would mean Nemesis took place before season 7. Nevermind. It's really convoluted and to be honest, the comment is just me shamelessly being a fanboy for that character.
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Well that would probably sum it up. The fanboys of course want their favourite shows and characters represented, no matter how much it doesn't make sense.
Like it or hate it, Admiral Janeway giving orders to Picard at least made internal story sense.
Having a Dax in the movie for any reason wouldn't have. Or Odo. Or Quark (see how badly that turned out in the deleted scenes for Insurrection?). Etc.
Well that would probably sum it up. The fanboys of course want their favourite shows and characters represented, no matter how much it doesn't make sense.
Like it or hate it, Admiral Janeway giving orders to Picard at least made internal story sense.
Having a Dax in the movie for any reason wouldn't have. Or Odo. Or Quark (see how badly that turned out in the deleted scenes for Insurrection?). Etc.
I didn't know about Quark (I never saw the scene). How was it bad? I would have liked to see the TNG crew hanging out with the DS9 crew after one of their onscreen missions, sort of as a nice tip of that hat to that show, as it was getting really good around the time of the first three TNG movies. Unfortunately, I can't really imagine where such a scene could fit in First Contact, but it was so fun watching Data interact with Bashir in "Birthright, Part I" and even nice to see Kira talking with Tom Riker (when we thought he was Will) in "Defiant". I wanted more crossovers!
I was happy to see some crossovers between TNG and DS9 during their respective runs. Having Picard and Sisko together in "Emissary" was a nice way to launch the show. Too bad Sisko and Janeway couldn't have had a scene together in "Caretaker" as a similar crossover. Instead we got the funny, but ultimately rather pointless, scene with Harry, Tom and Quark.
The other crossover appearances, such as Bashir and Quark on TNG and Tom Riker on DS9, were nice as well.
Unfortunately, to do a crossover in the films is a bit more challenging. First, you have to take into account the general moviegoing public who is very likely to see a film like First Contact but not likely to have ever seen an episode of DS9. How do you explain who these other characters are and why they're on screen? Then you have to look at costs. How much would it cost to get the entire starring casts of two Trek series together for a movie? Probably more than the movie could afford. And, lastly, you'd have to do it in a way that made logical plot sense, not just in a fanboy "let's throw the crews together" kinda way. That's tough to do.
To me, if there was going to be a crossover, it would have made more sense to do it during one of DS9's multi-episode war arcs, rather than in a feature film. It would have made total sense for the Enterprise to be involved in one of the epic battles during the Dominion war. It would have made far less sense for the crew of DS9 to show up during Insurrection somewhere. Alas, by that time the TNG crew was no longer doing television and their stars were commanding "movie star" salaries, so that probably would have been cost prohibitive.
In terms of Berman not appearing on Nemesis, I don't know why he didn't appear. In regards to having had a member from DS9 appearing on Picard's screen, it would not have worked. DS9 would not have been in the loop to the happenings on Romulus. Only an admiral from Starfleet Command would have been explaining the situation and orders to Picard. I personally didn't care for the way Janeway addressed Picard. He was a commanding officer while she was in high school. Lastly, the highest ranking Starfleet officer on DS9 was Sisko. With him out of commission, that rank would fall to Worf. An Admiral Worf would have been a better role for him than what he was put through the last two films.
How long has age had anything to do with rank?
Picard chose, during TNG, not to accept a post in the admiralty. He'd expect that he'd eventually be receiving orders from younger authority figures than himself.
Wasn't there the occasional younger admiral in TNG anyways? Admiral Pressman springs to mind as someone who's probably younger than Picard, I think.
Admiral Berman: Jean-Luc. How would you like a trip to Romulus? There's a new megabadass new Praetor named Shinzon. And from what our intelligence tells us, he's got a pretty kewl new weapon and he's ten times more powerful than Khan, Commander Kruge and three Syboks put together commanding that satellite dish, or whatever the fuck it was. We would be very pleased if you would take the Enterprise there to talk with him. How do you seem to get the easy assignments? Soran, the Borg, the Son'a... much more exciting than that doucherag Kirk ever got. Berman out.
I'd assume that Berman didn't want to make a cameo.
RobertScorpio
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This may sound bitter and paranoid, but I think it's just another example of the people behind Star Trek at the time showing how much they WRONGFULLY had more reverance for Voyager than Deep Space Nine. Like the way they always promoted Voyager more than Deep Space Nine when both were airring and considered Voyager to be the 'flagship show' of the United Paramount Network. Okay, Sisko was a prophet by that time, but like I said when suggesting a Dax cameo, it could have taken place before the end of DS9.
I agree with some of your post. Even the actors on DS9 felt as if Voyager was getting more of a PR effort, what ever the reason. But, I don't care. DS9 stole some of Voyager's thunder by debuting the Defiant the same season. And we know what ship is the better ship...THE DEFIANT of course!!!!
Rob
Wasn't there plans at points (First Contact?) for DS9 characters to get one-liners?
I vaguely recall there being plans to give Sisko a line in First Contact, ordering Worf to take the Defiant and defend Earth...or releasing him to the Enterprise...or something.
I also remembered there being plans for a line spoken by Worf about his new wife, Jadzia.
Mostly, it is odd that O'brien was never invited to the movies. He was practically a TNG regular, and certainly was popular and he loved his character.
I vaguely recall there being plans to give Sisko a line in First Contact, ordering Worf to take the Defiant and defend Earth...or releasing him to the Enterprise...or something.
I also remembered there being plans for a line spoken by Worf about his new wife, Jadzia.
Mostly, it is odd that O'brien was never invited to the movies. He was practically a TNG regular, and certainly was popular and he loved his character.
Oh, man. Way to make me long for what could have been
I would have loved that. I guess they didn't do that because showing the DS9 crew watching what's going on at the beginning of the movie and ordering the Worf to take the Defiant and leap into the fray would have confused the filmgoers who weren't familiar with the show, but what a treat it would have been for DS9 fans! Having developed the amount of affection for the show and its characters that I have now, I can imagine what a thrill it would be to pop in my First Contact DVD now and be able to see some brief moments with the DS9 crew. Another cool visual would have been Jadzia kissing him goodbye and wishing him luck. They wouldn't have to explain who she is to the audience, I'm sure they could just put two and two together and know instantly that the two are romantically involved. A line like that one in the episode where Worf and Garek go into Dominion Space ("Have a glorious death...or don't, it's up to you") would have just been gravy.
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