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Lieutenant Commander
Harry Kim is the Charlie Brown of Star Trek Voyager. He's not allowed to be happy.
Just look at Waking Moments....
The aliens now that Harry's worst nightmare is having Seven kiss him.
So yeah, I doubt it would last.
The aliens now that Harry's worst nightmare is having Seven kiss him.
So yeah, I doubt it would last.
I think Harry's nightmare was less that Seven wanted him and more having to deal with an aggressive female who was putting him into a sexual situation. It's pretty clear he's uncomfortable with the topic. When it comes up, regardless of who brings it up or how, he's always tongue tied on the subject.
So, it's not that Seven would want him, it's that ANY woman would want him that's the problem? That's even worse.
No, it's neither.
It's that he's awkward and not very experienced in those situations, and it leaves him feeling uncomfortable and exposed, which is something he doesn't like to be.
He tries very hard to be a strong, confident, independent person, and anything that makes him look less than that bothers him.
So, his 'great fear' is to be put into a situation where, not only can he not put up any type of resistance, but anything he does will make him look weak in the eyes of the other crew members. Couple that with his insane amount of discomfort with women due to his lack of experience in the matter, and you get the situation we saw in the jefferies tube with Seven.
It's that he's awkward and not very experienced in those situations, and it leaves him feeling uncomfortable and exposed, which is something he doesn't like to be.
He tries very hard to be a strong, confident, independent person, and anything that makes him look less than that bothers him.
So, his 'great fear' is to be put into a situation where, not only can he not put up any type of resistance, but anything he does will make him look weak in the eyes of the other crew members. Couple that with his insane amount of discomfort with women due to his lack of experience in the matter, and you get the situation we saw in the jefferies tube with Seven.
It's like I said before. Seven probably doesn't know her own strength. She once broke a guy's arm just by *dancing* with him. So she might kill anyone she has sex with, even though she obviously wouldn't intend for that to happen.
I think that's what Harry's problem might have been. He's afraid that she'll hurt him - literally.
I think that's what Harry's problem might have been. He's afraid that she'll hurt him - literally.
Hence why I say he couldn't put up any resistance.
Trapped I think is a good word for that situation.
Trapped I think is a good word for that situation.
Mr. Laser Beam said:
A risk that I, for one, would be willing to take.
Several times.
What disturbs me about the scene between Seven and Kim is that it indicates that Seven has a familiarity with sex that disappears later on and is supposedly prevented by the "emotion chip" that we saw in "Human Error." Just another one of those inconsistencies in Voyager in general, and Seven in particular. Here she is practically a vamp, while later she is a pure young inexperienced ingenue.
I agree that Harry is just a nice guy who is probably a little inexperienced with women, even if he does have a fiance at home. He is surprised by Seven's aggression and doesn't know how to respond.
I agree that Harry is just a nice guy who is probably a little inexperienced with women, even if he does have a fiance at home. He is surprised by Seven's aggression and doesn't know how to respond.
Well, to be fair, that whole scenario happened only in Harry's head, and he didn't know at the time about the chip. So, I think that can be forgiven.
I always LOVE the scene in "Revulsion" where Harry and Seven are in the mess hall alone together and Seven asks him if he's in love with her, and if he wants to copulate!! 
It is a little bit odd how Seven started off as being more sexual, and was later retconned into being quite inexperienced, awkward, and even reluctant about relationships.
I for one wouldn't have minded seeing Seven and Harry get together. It was playfully hinted at a couple of times earlier on, and then dropped, for whatever reason.
It is a little bit odd how Seven started off as being more sexual, and was later retconned into being quite inexperienced, awkward, and even reluctant about relationships.
I for one wouldn't have minded seeing Seven and Harry get together. It was playfully hinted at a couple of times earlier on, and then dropped, for whatever reason.
^ Probably because the suits were paranoid that if Seven were in any kind of relationship, it'd rain on the fantasies of the coveted under-25 males who'd then start watching - unfortunately, probably a well-founded fear.
Why is the Trek community so negative about Voyager? It needed non-fan under-25 Seven gawkers to survive, and sold it proverbial soul to do so.
Why is the Trek community so negative about Voyager? It needed non-fan under-25 Seven gawkers to survive, and sold it proverbial soul to do so.
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