Hank Pym was assumed a new costumed identity.
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Yeah, but how much art is there worth looking at in Marvel books now? Not much that I know of. I just got the latest Marvel Previews yesterday and there's maybe two or three pages with art that I don't find ugly.I'd be just as happy if all they did was publish the art, unmarred by dialogue or captions - that's what I like most in comics, anyway. Give me Adam Hughes, Art Adams, Terry Dodson, Frank Cho and Alan Davis, and I'm happy.
Well, like I said ...
Terry Dodson - Uncanny X-Men
Art Adams/Frank Cho - Hulk (currently with the Red Hulk)
Unfortunately, it's almost impossible to track and keep up with artists and writers, to know where they are from month to month, without either looking at all the books or picking up a copy of Preview; for instance, I have no idea what Adam Hughes and Alan Davis are currently working on, and one can't even get this info from most of the artists' websites
. And I'm not such a die-hard collector (for reasons already started) that I even know where to find this information easily.
Terry Dodson - Uncanny X-Men
Art Adams/Frank Cho - Hulk (currently with the Red Hulk)
Unfortunately, it's almost impossible to track and keep up with artists and writers, to know where they are from month to month, without either looking at all the books or picking up a copy of Preview; for instance, I have no idea what Adam Hughes and Alan Davis are currently working on, and one can't even get this info from most of the artists' websites
. And I'm not such a die-hard collector (for reasons already started) that I even know where to find this information easily.
wikipedia.
Not only does it tell you where the writers and artists are, but it will tell you captions of all the current storylines if you are really adverse to buying bollocks.
Then a lot of the creators blog. So you can keep track of them on a personal basis, as they announce new projects as soon as thye are allowed to... And there's always gossip rags like Lying in the Gutters over at Comicbookresources.com
There's something called comicspace too. Myspace for comicbook geeks.
Then of course there's always starting a conversation with your local store keep and see how much of the rest of the shop joins in with their 2 cents.
Not only does it tell you where the writers and artists are, but it will tell you captions of all the current storylines if you are really adverse to buying bollocks.
Then a lot of the creators blog. So you can keep track of them on a personal basis, as they announce new projects as soon as thye are allowed to... And there's always gossip rags like Lying in the Gutters over at Comicbookresources.com
There's something called comicspace too. Myspace for comicbook geeks.
Then of course there's always starting a conversation with your local store keep and see how much of the rest of the shop joins in with their 2 cents.
I was thinking about Jan's other prominent boyfriends.
Paladin, the Black Knight and MAGNETO...
I can only dream of Magneto saying "I didn't really want to destroy a world that had Janet VanDyne in it. I was just teasing the last few times I tried to destroy the planet and enslave humanity. But now that she's gone, all bets are off, and the gloves too, because I'm going to sink my teeth into humanity's jugular and play jump rope with it's wind pipe."
Paladin, the Black Knight and MAGNETO...
I can only dream of Magneto saying "I didn't really want to destroy a world that had Janet VanDyne in it. I was just teasing the last few times I tried to destroy the planet and enslave humanity. But now that she's gone, all bets are off, and the gloves too, because I'm going to sink my teeth into humanity's jugular and play jump rope with it's wind pipe."
I'm not familiar with Terry Dodson, but Art Adams and Frank Cho are both excellent. But they're the exception these days: Really good artists with instantly recognizable individual styles (and, actually, both are pretty old school now).
Not only is it hard to keep track, but it's hard to know why to bother. I look through Previews and I think, for the most part, "Who the hell are these guys?" Maybe it's just because I've lost so much interest because of the declining quality, but it seems like most of these books are written and drawn by people hired from a temp agency.Unfortunately, it's almost impossible to track and keep up with artists and writers, to know where they are from month to month, without either looking at all the books or picking up a copy of Preview; for instance, I have no idea what Adam Hughes and Alan Davis are currently working on, and one can't even get this info from most of the artists' websites
Ironically, I've been working on a kitbashed Wasp figure model for a while now. I bought one of Atlier's wonderfully sexy and accurate 1/6 nudes from X-Acto Facto and, yes, sanded off and puttied over the naughty bits. I've been stuck for months on how to go about painting that fantastic yellow/black costume of hers.
Now I'm sad about the whole thing.
Now I'm sad about the whole thing.
It was a rather poor storyline by Jim Shooter where it happened. He had only brought Hank back to the team two issues prior, and it seems the only reason was to assassinate his character. The backhanded slap came after he had spent three days straight in his lab without sleep on a project that any sane person would have said he was off his rocker to start. But his whole characterization was off kilter the way Shooter wrote him, and it wasn't the only thing that was off. In Avengers #210, Captain America invoked his right to limit the roster to six members and kicked out most of the team. Then the following issue he is thinking to himself how strange it was for all those members to up and leave all at once. Um... yeah. Hello? McFly?
The only time prior to this that I had seen Hank even remotely characterized in such a manner was when he had a psychotic break and first assumed the Yellowjacket identity (not realizing he was really Hank Pym under the mask) to win the Wasp away from Goliath (his other identity at the time). This was the story that had Janet trapping him in marriage. She had realized Hank was Yellowjacket and accepted his proposal, something he never decided to do as himself. It was at the altar that Janet revealed that he was really Hank and that she had done some legal research to make sure a marriage would be valid even though he was married under the Yellowjacket name. She took advantage of his fragile mental state at the time. (And it should have been something easily annulled as well, but he decided not to)
This whole hitting Janet thing was a hatchet job by the editor in chief writing a hack story and was rightfully ignored for the most part by later writers until the current idiots in charge decided to revive it. It is very much akin to the One More Day/Brand New Day editorial circle-jerk currently going on at Marvel.
I really don't think it was ever forgotten?
I mean it wasn't forgotten like the Crossing was forgotten that Hank snapped back then with Janet because Kang was putting a failed mind whammy on him to be sleeper agent. So swept under the rug. Iron Man, the Nanny Murderer. HUSH!
Hmmmm.
i would think that some might object to hank taking her name?
jan was a multimultiMillionaire... Possibly a billionaire? She might not have children, but the girl probably has heirs to some degree, like maybe cousins and other realtives?
I wonder what She Hulk is getting in the will? they were good friends? Considering hank was a bastard most of the time, there's a small chance Jennifer might get fair chunk of Janets estate, but that aside, she must have had mechanisms in place to see that a new wasp would be be ready to take her place afer she fell? Fuck it, captain America died a few months ago,, what damn chance does she really have? What right does she have to live if Captain America is dead? The death of a legend puts everything in pespective, and maybe that's why bendis wrote her as a drunk?
I mean it wasn't forgotten like the Crossing was forgotten that Hank snapped back then with Janet because Kang was putting a failed mind whammy on him to be sleeper agent. So swept under the rug. Iron Man, the Nanny Murderer. HUSH!
Hmmmm.
i would think that some might object to hank taking her name?
jan was a multimultiMillionaire... Possibly a billionaire? She might not have children, but the girl probably has heirs to some degree, like maybe cousins and other realtives?
I wonder what She Hulk is getting in the will? they were good friends? Considering hank was a bastard most of the time, there's a small chance Jennifer might get fair chunk of Janets estate, but that aside, she must have had mechanisms in place to see that a new wasp would be be ready to take her place afer she fell? Fuck it, captain America died a few months ago,, what damn chance does she really have? What right does she have to live if Captain America is dead? The death of a legend puts everything in pespective, and maybe that's why bendis wrote her as a drunk?
Given the state Janet's life was in when she died, I would not be surprised if she left the Van Dyne money in a trust to fund the Avengers. Given the rockiness of the Stark fortune over the last several years, and being a founding member herself, she may have wished to see that the Avengers remain funded for all contingencies. That is, if she was written in the character she was back when she led the Avengers for a while.
I believe that Stark can't touch the Maria Stark Foundations accounts.
Remember when he lived on the streets as a bum for a year after Obidiah Stane bankrupted him and sold all his houses/homes? I always thought it odd that Jarvis kept the Avengers gates shut on him even while he was delivering babies in the middle of blizzards.
besides, the New Avengers don't fall under the old Avengers Charter, so does that mean that her monies would be used to pick up the slack for the stooge team, or would it independently create a New new Avengers?
Was Jan part of that girl power charity group Millar founded over in FF?
Remember when he lived on the streets as a bum for a year after Obidiah Stane bankrupted him and sold all his houses/homes? I always thought it odd that Jarvis kept the Avengers gates shut on him even while he was delivering babies in the middle of blizzards.
besides, the New Avengers don't fall under the old Avengers Charter, so does that mean that her monies would be used to pick up the slack for the stooge team, or would it independently create a New new Avengers?
Was Jan part of that girl power charity group Millar founded over in FF?
Well, it unfortunately is part of Hank Pym's m.o. to change identities, but I always thought he should've stopped returning to old ones as soon as he took on his scientific adventurer role. So now he's Wasp! I just did a search and found a couple of pics. It seems like he's become just like Janet Van Dyne's version of the Wasp, with insectile wings coming out of his back. Interesting! -- RR
Guy: Don't forget Jan also dated Tony Stark briefly in The Avengers back in the early '90s. The only reason she stopped is at the time, she didn't know he was also Iron Man. As soon as he fessed up, she broke it off. -- RR
Find me a woman in 616 who Tony Stark hasn't used to prop himself up against?
I have this vague memory of Frank Miller trying to pair up Spider-Man and the Wasp in the early 80s... But I don't know what to make of it?
I have this vague memory of Frank Miller trying to pair up Spider-Man and the Wasp in the early 80s... But I don't know what to make of it?
I don't remember that last bit at all -- that would certainly be out of character for Wasp, who found spiders and Spider-Man creepy. And I thought that the Wasp/Magneto thing was a brief attraction in the original Secret Wars series -- but hey, it's been a long time since I've read comics on a regular basis -- so did they have a full-fledged fling sometime after? -- RR
Yes, Eric and Janet had a dirty naked weekend in during the secret wars, I do recall a panel where we saw one or both of them dressed in nothing but a sheet.
A few months later back in the regular Avengers title, the exact quote was "Yuck! What was I thinking?!"
A few months later back in the regular Avengers title, the exact quote was "Yuck! What was I thinking?!"
I guess it's because ole Magnus/Erik posseses -- animal magnetism! D'oh! Now I do remember that panel! I guess if Storm can be attracted to both Arkon and Doctor Doom, why can't the flighty Wasp drop her drawers for Magneto? -- RR
Hah, ol' Mags even had Rogue hot n bothered over him too.
What would freakin' crack me up is they find Jan in some weird cocoon regenerating at the bottom of the Hudson river...
What would freakin' crack me up is they find Jan in some weird cocoon regenerating at the bottom of the Hudson river...
It was bloody weird the last time she went into a cocoon and came out all insectoidish recovered from terminal wounds, but Heroes Reborn kicked that silliness to the curb.
"Give me my name back!" she would say all freshly risen from the grave, and then super hero tradition would indicate that they would have to fight for the right to be called the wasp, which is how his name got turned into shit in the first place...
For those of you that still haven't read Secret Invasion Requiem, the other big reveal was the identity of the next woman Hank Pym is going to marry in the not to distant future. Very vertigo, and much like what happened between Simon and Wanda but I always thought she was destined for Aaron, even if he has Warren Ellis' personality and is rutting with a LMD of Captain Marvel... Photon.... Crikey, Monica.
"Give me my name back!" she would say all freshly risen from the grave, and then super hero tradition would indicate that they would have to fight for the right to be called the wasp, which is how his name got turned into shit in the first place...
For those of you that still haven't read Secret Invasion Requiem, the other big reveal was the identity of the next woman Hank Pym is going to marry in the not to distant future. Very vertigo, and much like what happened between Simon and Wanda but I always thought she was destined for Aaron, even if he has Warren Ellis' personality and is rutting with a LMD of Captain Marvel... Photon.... Crikey, Monica.
Aaron? Machine Man? WTF dude!
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