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Hammer and Depp for Lone Ranger?

Temis the Vorta

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Armie Hammer in talks to co-star with Depp.

If this pans out, I might have to become interested in The Lone Ranger for the first time in my life. :rommie: Those are two very interesting actors, and I'm very curious to see how they play off each other.

Hammer reminds me of Depp when he was starting out years ago - an actor who you can tell has something interesting going on, as long as he resists being typecast. Hammer could get stuck in the big-white-preppy-guy thing just as Depp could have gotten stuck in the emo thing.

Hammer was actually more interesting in Reaper than in The Social Network btw.

PS, it just occurred to me - does The Lone Ranger belong in this forum? For some reason, I instinctively put it here. :rommie:
 
Enough with remakes and reboots--studios need to realize that whatever made them cult hits or popular originally can't be replicated and 99% of the time not be superior to what came before.

You simply can't capture lightning in a bottle twice--it really just underscores how vapid and creatively bankrupt Hollywood has become. I mean just look at all the films/tv shows made or talked about being made in the last ten years--Bionic Woman, Knight Rider, A-Team, 90210, Melrose Place, Hawaii 5-0, Charlie's Angels, Nightmare on Elm Street, Star Trek XI, The Rockford Files, Dallas, Wild Wild West, Halloween, Friday the 13th, Lethal Weapon, The Three Stooges, Karate Kid, now the Lone Ranger. The only one that worked was nBSG.

Studios need to realize that younger viewers don't care. Those of us old enough to care don't want some resurrected corpse parading around like it was the original--you don't have the same actors, the same writers, the same point in time that the original effectively captured as a point in our lives.

Why not try coming up with something that hasn't been done before and create a series that will be remembered as fondly as some of these shows in two decades rather than cribbing.
 
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PS, it just occurred to me - does The Lone Ranger belong in this forum? For some reason, I instinctively put it here. :rommie:
It really belongs in TNZ......... :D

Maybe it does, what with the "Injun" as second banana. :rommie:Somehow I think Depp alone will make the role a lot more than just that. I wonder if it's going to be a semi-comedy.

The only one that worked was nBSG.
Which took the approach of not bothering to be anything like the original. Maybe that's the secret. Just adopt a familiar name to mollify the nervous suits and get them to fork over the money, and do your own thing.

I'm convinced that remakes happen as ass-covering insurance. If it tanks, the suits can say, "how could we have known, it worked before!!!" It's only when they gamble on something entirely new that they get blamed for a flop. Since most things flop (often for reasons nobody can predict), ass-covering makes perfect sense.
 
It's about name recognition and money. Creativity is not a priority.
I agree. That's why tv and films are in absolute horrible shape as far as being solid entertainment. Writers don't even try to tell a good solid story--all they worry about are crafting expansive VFX laden action sequences with a lot of 'plosions. I've come to almost loathe the advent of CGI technology since it has become a convenient crutch. I miss models and on location shoots. I miss imperfections--everything is too slick, flashy and shallow but I guess that is appropriate given that seems to be the target these days. VFX and action should enhance a story not be a substitute for it. And in the rare instance of the writers trying to tell a story they just recycle a similiar one we've seen before and was executed better.
 
When I saw "Hammer" I thought it meant M.C. Hammer and I was thinking this would be a must-see awesome team-up.
 
Enough with remakes and reboots--studios need to realize that whatever made them cult hits or popular originally can't be replicated and 99% of the time not be superior to what came before.

Remakes have been around since the beginning of Hollywood. This is nothing new. It's an old tired argument.

You simply can't capture lightning in a bottle twice--it really just underscores how vapid and creatively bankrupt Hollywood has become. I mean just look at all the films/tv shows made or talked about being made in the last ten years--Bionic Woman, Knight Rider, A-Team, 90210, Melrose Place, Hawaii 5-0, Charlie's Angels, Nightmare on Elm Street, Star Trek XI, The Rockford Files, Dallas, Wild Wild West, Halloween, Friday the 13th, Lethal Weapon, The Three Stooges, Karate Kid, now the Lone Ranger. The only one that worked was nBSG.

So, a few examples out of how many movies that Hollywood produced?

And how are you defining "worked?"

90210 and Melrose, as I recall, are being renewed--could be wrong.
Hawaii 5-O, renewed.
Charlie's Angels--1 successful movie, spawned a not as successful sequel, and now a TV show... let's see what happens.
The Karate Kid--VERY successful, especially worldwide.
STXI--very successful, sequel coming.

Personal opinion aside, if they made money, by Hollywood's standard, they are successful.

Studios need to realize that younger viewers don't care. Those of us old enough to care don't want some resurrected corpse parading around like it was the original--you don't have the same actors, the same writers, the same point in time that the original effectively captured as a point in our lives.

That's why there's such a thing as advertising. So, younger viewers can be told what's it about, and maybe become interested.

I don't want to see a corpse either. That's why I don't expect to see the same actors or the same point of view of something from 50 years ago. It's called reinvention.

Why not try coming up with something that hasn't been done before and create a series that will be remembered as fondly as some of these shows in two decades rather than cribbing.

It's like you don't watch TV or see movies. Avatar. West Wing. Two examples of totally original things.

Hollywood does both. In some cases, they are going to take intellectual property that already has name recognition (Like Harry Potter) and produce that. Are you upset they make Harry Potter?

You can't risk 200 million dollars without SOME sort of name recognition or built in audience.



It's about name recognition and money. Creativity is not a priority.
I agree. That's why tv and films are in absolute horrible shape as far as being solid entertainment.

Mad Men, Breaking Bad, Castle, Modern Family... to name a few.

TV isn't in any more of a horrible shape than it was 10 years ago. In fact, I would argue the diversity of the kinds of shows has only increased.

With channels like IFC, Showtime, HBO, AMC, A&E, producing new original content.

Writers don't even try to tell a good solid story--all they worry about are crafting expansive VFX laden action sequences with a lot of 'plosions.

That is the summer blockbuster experience.

Film is NOT the writers medium. It's the directors. Films go under so much rewriting before it even hits the filming stage, then gets changed on set, and then again in the editing bay.

To lay the weakness of Transformers at the feet of the writers is wrong.

I've come to almost loathe the advent of CGI technology since it has become a convenient crutch. I miss models and on location shoots. I miss imperfections--everything is too slick, flashy and shallow but I guess that is appropriate given that seems to be the target these days. VFX and action should enhance a story not be a substitute for it. And in the rare instance of the writers trying to tell a story they just recycle a similiar one we've seen before and was executed better.

Film is not a writers medium. There are plenty of original film scripts out there... walk down Sunset and throw a rock, someone will have their Zombie Space Opera.

Studios don't want to produce a 200 million dollar picture on a totally original idea unless MAYBE that person is James Cameron.

So, to recap:

1. TV isn't in such a horrible shape, and Hollywood (both film and TV) does produce original material--for whatever reason people seem to bemoan Hollywood's lack of originality.

2. Don't blame blockbusters on the writers. A film writer has as much power as the grip. Blockbusters are directors and studios. They want your money.
 
It's like you don't watch TV or see movies.
I watch plenty of tv in the hopes of finding something entertaining.
Didn't care for it. Great FX but the story was tired allegory.
West Wing.
It came out in the late 90s iirc.
Are you upset they make Harry Potter?
No. It isn't a remake--it is an adaption from an original work.
I tried it out wasn't my thing. A glacially paced pretentious bore.
Breaking Bad
Haven't gotten around to this yet.
Not my thing--I'm bored with predictable procedurals and the cutesy flirting between the two leads doesn't work for me.
Modern Family... to name a few.
It is one of the few decent sitcoms that is actually funny.
TV isn't in any more of a horrible shape than it was 10 years ago.
Well we'll have to disagree. Basic networks are littered with poorly written shows just look at the long list of shows that have come and gone. CBS is nothing but procedurals/cop/lawyer shows that doesn't do anything new and are predictable and they take it one step further by doing spin offs of them. If you've seen one you've seen them all. NBC is crap with Biggest Loser, Dateline shows, stupid sitcoms and Law & Order. It gave us Heroes but the writers couldn't even get more than one good season out of it--in the past most shows could churn out at least a few good seasons.

Then you look at cable and you get more of the same with channels like USA. A lot of channels have switched over to reality shows and don't even have the programming that the channel launched with the focus on--VH1, A&E, History Channel, MTV etc.

SyFy just shows C movies and when they aren't they give us crap like SGA or SGU--which wants to be BSG 3.0.

Lost was about the only show in the last decade that at least tried to be fresh or original--it did non linear storytelling, expansive cast, played with time etc. You don't see fresh shows like The X-Files rather you see writers trying to do pale imitations of it a la Fringe. No Ordinary Family was just a hybrid of sappy Disney family stuff with warmed over Heroes storylines.
With channels like IFC, Showtime, HBO, AMC, A&E, producing new original content.
These channels allow for feature film production and VFX but a lot of the shows I've seen I don't think are that great--The Borgias, Camelot, True Blood, Rubicon, Californication for example. They seem to think glacial pacing, no action and scenes featuring two actors talking makes great character drama--they are wrong--it makes for tedious viewing. And to spice that up they include gratuitous nudity and sex. And I don't know about anyone else but I don't want to watch hateful, abrasive, obnoxious characters just because writers think it is the "in thing" i.e. House.

Writers don't even try to tell a good solid story--all they worry about are crafting expansive VFX laden action sequences with a lot of 'plosions.

That is the summer blockbuster experience.
Nowadays--you used to could get characters, plot and action in a summer flick.
 
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These channels allow for feature film production and VFX but a lot of the shows I've seen I don't think are that great--The Borgias, Camelot, True Blood, Rubicon, Californication for example. They seem to think glacial pacing, no action and scenes featuring two actors talking makes great character drama--they are wrong--it makes for tedious viewing. And to spice that up they include gratuitous nudity and sex. And I don't know about anyone else but I don't want to watch hateful, abrasive, obnoxious characters just because writers think it is the "in thing" i.e. House.

Yeah, we're gonna have to disagree, because it sounds like your problem isn't Hollywood lacking original content, but content you don't like.

You're fine with unoriginal content, like adaptation, because you like it.

You said you liked BSG, which is an adaptation/reimagination of the source material.

But, ultimately, and regardless of your personal opinion, TV hasn't seen such diversity, from such traditional sitcoms as The Big Bang Theory to more subversive comedies like Party Down, or traditional family dramas like Parenthood to something larger, Game of Thrones, ever.

And yeah, I'm willing to throw in Reality TV... I don't think it's the bane of TV. Like everything, there's some good, a lot bad, and a few great.

With 100 channels all looking for content, yeah, there's a LOT of original programming that isn't a remake, reboot or whatever the complaint is this week.
 
There hasn't been a Lone Ranger movie in 30 years and before then the series was shown in the 1950s (IIRC), so it's not exactly like we've had the character stuffed down our throat. The same writers gave us a good Zorro a few years back and IMHO TLR should be done in similar vein.

I don't see the problem with another Ranger movie. Why shouldn't characters like him or Zorro be like American versions of Robin Hood or King Arthur, regularly updated and re-imagined for new audiences?

This won't be a straight re-telling of the legend; with Depp in the Tonto role opposite a lesser-known actor, the emphasis will be on Tonto. I think there's some suggestion of it being like the Green Hornet (who is of course supposed to be the Lone Ranger's descendant), with the so-called sidekick really being the hero. Of course, the up-and-coming charismatic Hammer will not be overshadowed too easily, even by Depp. I'm guessing that with Depp reuniting with his Pirates director Tonto may have a touch of Captain Jack Sparrow about him.
 
Depp has been attached to this thing in one form or another for a while now. I believe since George Clooney was attached. I had one of the earlier drafts of the script and it wasn't too bad. Arnie Hammer was astounding in "The Social Network" and he'll be great in this if it happens.
 
I don't see the problem with another Ranger movie. Why shouldn't characters like him or Zorro be like American versions of Robin Hood or King Arthur, regularly updated and re-imagined for new audiences?

Especially considering that Zorro came from magazine serials and The Lone Ranger originated on the radio (as did The Green Hornet). So the screen versions were already re-dos or whatever you want to call them.

--Justin
 
I think there's some suggestion of it being like the Green Hornet (who is of course supposed to be the Lone Ranger's descendant), with the so-called sidekick really being the hero. Of course, the up-and-coming charismatic Hammer will not be overshadowed too easily, even by Depp. I'm guessing that with Depp reuniting with his Pirates director Tonto may have a touch of Captain Jack Sparrow about him.

While I liked the idea of Kato being the real power behind the team, I hope The Lone Ranger is a MUCH better movie...

...but, I don't know if they'll go that route. Might be more of an equal partnership than in the TV show.
 
Since we're back to the remake/reboot issue, here's more fodder: Post-Apocalyptic Zorro. That's just daffy enough that I'm looking forward to it. :rommie:

startreckwatcher:
you should check out Breaking Bad and The Walking Dead if you're in search of anything worth watching on TV. Depending on your tastes, Sons of Anarchy and Big Love might also suit you.

I agree that Mad Men is boring...can't deny the quality, but I really do need at least one character who I care about in order to maintain any interest at all. If they'd only kept Sal...

TV in general is pretty badly off. I'm struggling to find anything to watch. The Borgias writing is getting pretty tripey and some of the actors are just plain bad.

I think there's some suggestion of it being like the Green Hornet (who is of course supposed to be the Lone Ranger's descendant), with the so-called sidekick really being the hero.
I think that's likely, because there's a 23 year age difference between the actors, which suggests that Tonto will be a mentor figure to our very green young Lone Ranger.

It's hard to envision a 25 year old being able to jump on a horse and be a competent Wild West vigilante immediately. More likely, he's a kid with big ideas, maybe newly arrived on the frontier, who gets his butt kicked until this Injun guy comes along and decides to show the tenderfoot the ropes.

Maybe Tonto is Obi-Wan to Lone Ranger's Luke Skywalker? That would solve the problems of political incorrectness inherent in the story.
 
Not to speak for him/her, I think they (startrekwatcher) have already established they don't like those AMC shows. If not in this thread then in countless of other ones.

I on the otherhand like all 3 of those shows, which I've mentioned numerous times before and you guys are probably sick of hearing.

AMC's really starting to turn into a great cable network. Rubicon was the only show I couldn't get into.
 
I think there's some suggestion of it being like the Green Hornet (who is of course supposed to be the Lone Ranger's descendant), with the so-called sidekick really being the hero. Of course, the up-and-coming charismatic Hammer will not be overshadowed too easily, even by Depp. I'm guessing that with Depp reuniting with his Pirates director Tonto may have a touch of Captain Jack Sparrow about him.

While I liked the idea of Kato being the real power behind the team, I hope The Lone Ranger is a MUCH better movie...

...but, I don't know if they'll go that route. Might be more of an equal partnership than in the TV show.

I was thinking more of the GH tv show than the movie (which, to be fair, deliberately upped Kato's role because of the way Bruce Lee stole the show in the tv version).

Since we're back to the remake/reboot issue, here's more fodder: Post-Apocalyptic Zorro. That's just daffy enough that I'm looking forward to it. :rommie:

Hmmm. I'd have to reserve judgement. I mean, part of Zorro's attraction is the use of the sword and the swashbuckling. Can they retain that in the post-apocalyptic setting. Maybe they can, I don't know. But it doesn't seem like the most obvious choice for a futuristic setting, the way something like The Phantom might.


there's a 23 year age difference between the actors, which suggests that Tonto will be a mentor figure to our very green young Lone Ranger.

It's hard to envision a 25 year old being able to jump on a horse and be a competent Wild West vigilante immediately. More likely, he's a kid with big ideas, maybe newly arrived on the frontier, who gets his butt kicked until this Injun guy comes along and decides to show the tenderfoot the ropes.

Maybe Tonto is Obi-Wan to Lone Ranger's Luke Skywalker? That would solve the problems of political incorrectness inherent in the story.

Depp doesn't look 23 years older than Hammer though, does he? But yes, I think there will be some element of a mentor, showing-the-ropes guy. Like the Captain Jack/ Will relationship in Pirates - though Hammer seems to be much more charismatic than Orlando Bloom. I think the balance may be restored by the end of the movie, with TLR being Tonto's match.
 
Not to speak for him/her, I think they (startrekwatcher) have already established they don't like those AMC shows. If not in this thread then in countless of other ones.
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AMC's really starting to turn into a great cable network. Rubicon was the only show I couldn't get into.

I can't keep track of who says what! :rommie: And I agree about Rubicon, it was just...ehhh. Gonna check out AMC's Hell on Wheels this fall, tho!

Depp doesn't look 23 years older than Hammer though, does he?
Depends on how much makeup they slap on him (I don't think he could pass for 100% Native American either) but I'm noticing that he's looking at least somewhat his age lately.
though Hammer seems to be much more charismatic than Orlando Bloom.
Oooooh yeah. My guess is that Armie has a nice career ahead of him and won't fizzle like Bloom did.
 
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