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Of course I'll watch the series because it looks really interesting, but I'm a little annoyed by the tendency to make Zion seem like the Federation's equivalent if not the "good guys".

They killed THREE BILLION people in a few days. Their favorite sport was gassing the colonies and using them for target practice against Earth. Their leader openly used Nazi-style rhetoric.

But in the latest series they always appear ethically and morally not dissimilar from their enemies. OK, the Federation didn't want to give Zion independence. But I don't see that as a good justification for their atrocities. At least in the original series they were clearly the "bad guys", albeit with various nuances.
That's been my biggest gripe with just about every Gundam series since the original - the continual humanization of genocidal, dictatorial regime who precipitated the OYW, were the ones that caused the first colony drop during Operation British, and were also the ones behind the second colony drop during Operation Stardust.

How anyone can look at Zeon's actions and still wonder "gee, I just don't know if they're the baddies" frustrates the living hell out of me.
 
That's been my biggest gripe with just about every Gundam series since the original - the continual humanization of genocidal, dictatorial regime who precipitated the OYW, were the ones that caused the first colony drop during Operation British, and were also the ones behind the second colony drop during Operation Stardust.

How anyone can look at Zeon's actions and still wonder "gee, I just don't know if they're the baddies" frustrates the living hell out of me.
Thank God, I though I was just being a stubborn hardhead for never liking Zeon. I never understood the need to "both sides" the conflict. Same thing with some aspects of the Star Wars Expanded Universe.
 
Thank God, I though I was just being a stubborn hardhead for never liking Zeon. I never understood the need to "both sides" the conflict. Same thing with some aspects of the Star Wars Expanded Universe.
In "Char's Counterattack" they literally tried to make Earth uninhabitable but people are still like, 'No, no, you have to understand them, they have their reasons!'
 
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Instead of News this week, we get a "Question of the Week" that gets answered.
 
Netflix added Gundam Seed and Gundam Seed Destiny to it's US catalog this month, and sitting down this weekend to dive back into some good old fashioned (as mentioned upthread) ''fascists aren't bad people who are trying to kill everyone who's not them'' delusional mindsets, I discovered that the show has been altered. Oh dear, there goes ZAFT controlling the media narrative again...

Taking to the web, I've found it's been redubbed. And not just redubbed, there are scenes with characters speaking and no voice actor is heard, with subtitles appearing instead.
It started with episode 7 (I'm up to ep12 now) and it occurs frequently. Would anyone happen to know why the English dub version given to Netflix is this way? I'm guessing the remastered blu-rays didn't exhibit this missing dialog.

And WFT! La-KLOOS Cline?? Sorry La-KLOOS, you'll always be Lacus (Lak-Cus) to me. ;)
 
Netflix added Gundam Seed and Gundam Seed Destiny to it's US catalog this month, and sitting down this weekend to dive back into some good old fashioned (as mentioned upthread) ''fascists aren't bad people who are trying to kill everyone who's not them'' delusional mindsets, I discovered that the show has been altered. Oh dear, there goes ZAFT controlling the media narrative again...

Taking to the web, I've found it's been redubbed. And not just redubbed, there are scenes with characters speaking and no voice actor is heard, with subtitles appearing instead.
It started with episode 7 (I'm up to ep12 now) and it occurs frequently. Would anyone happen to know why the English dub version given to Netflix is this way? I'm guessing the remastered blu-rays didn't exhibit this missing dialog.

And WFT! La-KLOOS Cline?? Sorry La-KLOOS, you'll always be Lacus (Lak-Cus) to me. ;)
Please watch it in the original Japanese with English Subs.

You'll thank me later for saving your ears.
 
I'd like to (I did turn on the original soundtrack with subtitles for 2 eps), but I have limited ''pay attention and don't get distracted'' watch time...Sadness. Either watch fewer eps with subtitles on, or marathon multiple eps old school, like back in the dvd days...
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The Zero-G Space Fighters that the Zeon used before the advent of "Mobile Suits" & their developmental history.

Too bad I can't see Mobile Suits being of much use in Zero-G space battles IRL, despite what Gundam likes to protray them as.

Any good StarShip or Space Fighter should easily trounce any "Mobile Suit", especially if using StarFleet level tech.

I can see the value of a Mobile Suit in Terrestrial Combat in securing wide areas and being mobile Artillery / Fire Support.

The Psychological Effect of a Giant Moving Robot on the local populace shouldn't be Under Estimated.

Also the height of a Mobile Suit would make it great as a form of "Enemy Magnet" along with being a "Watch Tower" / Mobile Artillery for ground forces.



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Bandai is about to release another Gundam TCG (Trading Card Game).
So here's a little video talking about Bandai's history of TCG's.
 
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Taking to the web, I've found it's been redubbed. And not just redubbed, there are scenes with characters speaking and no voice actor is heard, with subtitles appearing instead.
It started with episode 7 (I'm up to ep12 now) and it occurs frequently. Would anyone happen to know why the English dub version given to Netflix is this way? I'm guessing the remastered blu-rays didn't exhibit this missing dialog.

And WFT! La-KLOOS Cline?? Sorry La-KLOOS, you'll always be Lacus (Lak-Cus) to me. ;)
There was a special edition of Seed and Seed Destiny that introduced a bunch of new scenes long after the original English dub was completed. Once it came time to put together this new edition for English-speaking audiences, the original dub team in Canada, Ocean Productions (Ranma, Black Lagoon, Gundam 0079, among many others), has become too expensive for most US-based distributors to use. So, rather than do a piecemeal redub, Netflix optioned to redo the whole thing with NYAV Post. Unfortunately, from what I've heard, the team was given a shockingly limited amount of time to complete the work.
 
That's been my biggest gripe with just about every Gundam series since the original - the continual humanization of genocidal, dictatorial regime who precipitated the OYW, were the ones that caused the first colony drop during Operation British, and were also the ones behind the second colony drop during Operation Stardust.

How anyone can look at Zeon's actions and still wonder "gee, I just don't know if they're the baddies" frustrates the living hell out of me.

Thank God, I though I was just being a stubborn hardhead for never liking Zeon. I never understood the need to "both sides" the conflict. Same thing with some aspects of the Star Wars Expanded Universe.

In "Char's Counterattack" they literally tried to make Earth uninhabitable but people are still like, 'No, no, you have to understand them, they have their reasons!'
I find it helps to listen to soundtracks of Gundam properties.

This song is called “Axis” from Char’s Counterattack. However it plays like Char’s lament about his life and current situation. He started his career hating the Zabis and everything they stood for. It took the Zabis 11 years to build up Zeon’s political power, military might and perform their first colony drop.

It took Char less than 4 years to do the same thing. He literally became everything he despised in the end.

 
I find it helps to listen to soundtracks of Gundam properties.

This song is called “Axis” from Char’s Counterattack. However it plays like Char’s lament about his life and current situation. He started his career hating the Zabis and everything they stood for. It took the Zabis 11 years to build up Zeon’s political power, military might and perform their first colony drop.

It took Char less than 4 years to do the same thing. He literally became everything he despised in the end.

I'll never quite understand why he became the thing he hated the most, he seemed like a smart chap.
 
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I'm watching the new Gundam series on Netflix and I'm really enjoying it. The animations are good, the story is engaging, but unfortunately it has all the flaws I feared

The new series continues in the vein of bothsidesism that has infected all the recent Gundam series set in the UC. Zion are presented, if not exactly as the good guys, then they are right to root for against the evil Feds.

Now let's remember that Zion are the closest thing to Space Nazis. They have a similar style, use the same rhetoric against the "Terranoids". But above all THEY KILLED THREE BILLION PEOPLE AND CAUSED A NUCLEAR WINTER ON EARTH. And they did it by gassing neutral colonies and launching them on the planet. But all of this is put aside, because in theory we are meant to empathize with these poor grunts who often have to obey unreasonable orders and fight against the powerful and evil Gundam.

Now imagine a movie starring Nazi soldiers. I'm not totally against it. Soldiers were human too and a movie that shows that some of them were somehow slaves to propaganda and rhetoric would be an interesting idea. I think there are more than one with this subject. Now imagine a movie that depicts them as heroic, bravely and ingeniously fighting against the evil French resistance that is trying to chase them away.

I think if it were to make it to theaters the director would have to seriously fear for his safety.

In 4 episodes it's said exactly ONCE that they are the invaders and the Terrestrials are defending themselves, but it's a throwaway comment that isn't given much weight.

Obviously I will watch the series until the end because, as I said, it is well done and I am enjoying it, but I would like someone around there to realize that...

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Incidentally, when they have to explain what cause Zion is fighting for, they always talk about a nebulous "freedom". The problem is that Zion at this point has already conquered all the freedom and independence it needs. Their goal has already been largely achieved. Theirs is a simple war of conquest, but it seems that none of the protagonists realize this.
 
Incidentally, when they have to explain what cause Zion is fighting for, they always talk about a nebulous "freedom". The problem is that Zion at this point has already conquered all the freedom and independence it needs. Their goal has already been largely achieved. Theirs is a simple war of conquest, but it seems that none of the protagonists realize this.
Sadly, that's how many of the Ancient/Old guard in Japan view their side of the WW2 Allegory Story.
They only think of themselves as the Good Guys, and the other side as the Bad Guys.
 
I'm only one episode into the Netflix show and I'm liking it well enough (I expected the "both sides" thing so it didn't take me by surprise or anything). I have to say that, for as good as the mech animation is, the human animation is hilarious. The humans all move like bad puppets, I'm pretty sure I've seen PS1 games where the 3D characters had better walk cycles. It doesn't really bother me because with this show I'm mostly watching for the mech action, but it is funny to see exactly where they didn't spend the budget.

Also

I like seeing the Gundam as basically a horror movie villain. I have no sympathy for the zeons, for reasons everyone has been talking about, so seeing them get destroyed by the Gundam is as fun as watching a horror movie villain take out particularly annoying characters in a horror film. Hopefully they keep this style up past episode 1.
 

I'm only one episode into the Netflix show and I'm liking it well enough (I expected the "both sides" thing so it didn't take me by surprise or anything). I have to say that, for as good as the mech animation is, the human animation is hilarious. The humans all move like bad puppets, I'm pretty sure I've seen PS1 games where the 3D characters had better walk cycles. It doesn't really bother me because with this show I'm mostly watching for the mech action, but it is funny to see exactly where they didn't spend the budget.

Also

I like seeing the Gundam as basically a horror movie villain. I have no sympathy for the zeons, for reasons everyone has been talking about, so seeing them get destroyed by the Gundam is as fun as watching a horror movie villain take out particularly annoying characters in a horror film. Hopefully they keep this style up past episode 1.
So is it worth watching? Or is it there for Mecha Porn?
 
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So is it worth watching? Or is there for Mecha Porn?

So I'm half way through (I'm taking it slowly). The mech fights are fun, in that I love seeing a Gundam just demolish Zeon mechs and troops with barely any effort, its that "horror monster" style of filming that I mentioned before and its entertaining. But the main characters are borderline intolerable. Episode 3, which I just watched, is the worst episode so far because its all character stuff and only about a minute of mechs at the end. To be clear I'm not saying this because I don't want character stuff in a Gundam show, I'm saying its a problem because the characters suck and the show really wants you to sympathize with the space fascists. I mean, we have a Zeon character in Episode 3 talk about "What the Feds have done", ignoring the fact that the Zeon's massacred a neutral space colony that didn't want to join them and then crashed it into the Earth. Its really intolerable in Episode 3 because of the lack of action in the episode.

I guess the answer to if its worth watching really depends. Its only six episodes, and I'm half way through, so I'll be finishing it. Is the story good? No. The Characters? They're terrible. The entire premise of a Gundam terrorizing Zeon soldiers is entertaining, but trying to frame the Zeons as sympathetic just produces eye rolls. The Gundam is cool to see in action but it is just pretty good CG, with the action mostly taking place at night (probably to hide some CG flaws).

Do you like a compelling story in your Gundam programming? Well, in my opinion you won't find that in Requiem. If you don't like Gundam trying to "both sides" the One Year War then you'll be especially annoyed. The CG action is entertaining, but its not like its top tier Gundam action, its just pretty good. It is only six half hour episodes though, so its not a big time commitment. If you have Netflix, a couple of hours to spare and the Zeon love isn't a deal breaker you can get some enjoyment out of the show, but like I said it really depends on what you want out of a Gundam show, and really even the shows strengths aren't all that impressive, especially when its flaws are taken into account.
 
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