Guess on the plot SPOILERS

[TK421]

I have read a few spoilers, though not many, and I've seen pictures. My mind started whirring.

So, I decided to take a stab at working out the plot.

Here's my take:

1. In the future, Romulan Nero decides that all their troubles would be over if Captain Kirk never lived.
2. Nero travels back in time to kill Kirk's dad, ensuring that James Kirk is never born.
3. Nero returns to the future, but nothing has changed.
4. Despite the official record, George Kirk is not James Kirk's father. They don't know who he is. They'll have to go back in time and get Kirk directly.
5. Spock gets word of what they're planning and decides to go back and try and unpick what they're planning.
6. Nero arrives and attacks the Starship Enterprise, ensuring that Kirk will not have his famous ship.
7. Captain Pike is severely burned and put in a wheel chair the rest of his life. Most of the crew is killed.
8. Young Spock, under Captain Pike's command, learns that they were attacked because young James Kirk is the real target.
9. Kirk and his officers are brought in to oversee the repairs to Enterprise and hunt down the killers. Kirk wears black in honor of those who were lost and the fate of April and the Enterprise.
10 Young Spock is so furious that Kirk caused the loss of his Captain and shipmates that he attacks Kirk.
11 Spock and the new crew do not work well together at first. The instant animosity between Spock and McCoy is fostered here.
12 Kirk is disturbed by the revelations of his own past. But it starts to make sense in light of learning that George Kirk is not his father.

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Then there's a lot of fighting with Romulans and Kirk wins.

That's all I've got so far.

 

[The Wormhole]

See, I don't get why Nero would want to kill Kirk. Kirk hasn't been much trouble to the Romulans. Aside from destroying the ship in Balance of Terror and stealing the cloaking device in The Enterprise Incident, Kirk never bothered with the Romulans. And I can't see a Romulan wanting to alter the timeline over those two incidents.

 

[Swarles Barkley]

It could go something like that. Based on what I've read, especially a few cryptic quotes from Abrams (or one of the writers, can't remember), I think it will go something like this (pure speculation on my part):

Nero travels back in time to change things so that the future is more to his liking. The movie will open with some cataclysmic event brought on by Nero's skullduggery that we know simply cannot be. (Hence the whole "heresy" thing mentioned in the EW article.) This may indeed involve trying to wack Kirk's dad or something, but since we know little of him anyway, I have a feeling it will be a bigger deal than that. Whatever he does, the timeline is indeed altered, though Kirk still lives somehow. The shots we've seen thus far of the radically altered Enterprise bridge are part of this new timeline. Things are indeed very different, though through some typically Treknoligical time-travel mojo, our core group of heroes still ends up together. Through more of the same Trek time-travel mojo, Old Spock is either unaffected by the timeline changes, or is somehow made aware that something isn't right. He travels back in time and attempts to fix the damage done by Nero. He succeeds, or at least does the best he can, and we are left with a new timeline that is closer to the original, but different enough to explain why the tech, uniforms, etc. in the "restored" timeline still look somewhat different than TOS, though not as radically different as we've seen in the shots released so far. I expect that by the end of the movie we will see Kirk and crew on an Enterprise bridge that's closer to the original, but still different. They will all laugh at Spock, and we cut to a shot of the slightly different Enterprise flying off into the unknown. This ending would let us know that it's a timeline that hews closer to the original, which will still allow for some or all of the same adventures they had the first time around, but allows the writers the flexibility to change things up some in future movies.

 

[gastrof]

I have read a few spoilers, though not many, and I've seen pictures. My mind started whirring.

So, I decided to take a stab at working out the plot.

Here's my take:

...9. Kirk and his officers are brought in to oversee the repairs to Enterprise and hunt down the killers. Kirk wears black in honor of those who were lost and the fate of April and the Enterprise...

Who's April?

As for changes to the timeline, the promise was that there is no substantial change, and that this story fits into the existing history...

Despite the fact the Enterprise bridge looks nothing like the way we remember it looking. (Did someone just come out of a shower or something?)

 

[The Wormhole]

Who's April?

Captain Robert April was the first captain of the Enterprise when it was launched in 2245.

 

[gastrof]

It could go something like that. Based on what I've read, especially a few cryptic quotes from Abrams (or one of the writers, can't remember), I think it will go something like this (pure speculation on my part):

Nero travels back in time to change things so that the future is more to his liking. The movie will open with some cataclysmic event brought on by Nero's skullduggery that we know simply cannot be. (Hence the whole "heresy" thing mentioned in the EW article.) This may indeed involve trying to wack Kirk's dad or something, but since we know little of him anyway, I have a feeling it will be a bigger deal than that. Whatever he does, the timeline is indeed altered, though Kirk still lives somehow. The shots we've seen thus far of the radically altered Enterprise bridge are part of this new timeline. Things are indeed very different, though through some typically Treknoligical time-travel mojo, our core group of heroes still ends up together. Through more of the same Trek time-travel mojo, Old Spock is either unaffected by the timeline changes, or is somehow made aware that something isn't right. He travels back in time and attempts to fix the damage done by Nero. He succeeds, or at least does the best he can, and we are left with a new timeline that is closer to the original, but different enough to explain why the tech, uniforms, etc. in the "restored" timeline still look somewhat different than TOS, though not as radically different as we've seen in the shots released so far. I expect that by the end of the movie we will see Kirk and crew on an Enterprise bridge that's closer to the original, but still different. They will all laugh at Spock, and we cut to a shot of the slightly different Enterprise flying off into the unknown. This ending would let us know that it's a timeline that hews closer to the original, which will still allow for some or all of the same adventures they had the first time around, but allows the writers the flexibility to change things up some in future movies.

I like your thinking.

I do seem to recall someone hinting that there might be alternate timelines depicted before things settle down at the end. Can't be sure it was an insider dropping those hints, tho'. Could have been another fan being as wishful/hopeful as you and I are at this moment.

 

[gastrof]

Who's April?

Captain Robert April was the first captain of the Enterprise when it was launched in 2245.

Not said onscreen, not official.

Besides, the point is April isn't mentioned in the previous steps leading up to the mention of April.

I think the use of "April" was a braincramp and "Pike" was meant.

 

[Swarles Barkley]

I like your thinking.

I do seem to recall someone hinting that there might be alternate timelines depicted before things settle down at the end. Can't be sure it was an insider dropping those hints, tho'. Could have been another fan being as wishful/hopeful as you and I are at this moment.

I can't remember where I saw it or who said it, but I'm pretty sure it was one of the writers (maybe Orci) saying something like "by the time we see a more familiar Enterprise bridge at the end of the movie" or something to that effect. That's why I'm thinking that it will go something like what I surmised above. I could live with the radical new look as long as the movie is good, but it just doesn't seem to make sense that they'd go so far off the reservation, unless it's "temporary", given everything that's been said by Abrams and the writers about respecting the original. They were pretty creative with the new uniforms, for example, that are different, yet evoke the originals so well. So why go hog wild with the tech, unless there's more going on than we know so far?

 

[Swarles Barkley]

Oh and when Spock returns to his time, Sarek is a successful SF author, Amanda has dropped a lot of weight, Sybok doesn't work at McDonald's anymore, and Stonn is outside waxing up Spock's pickup truck for his big weekend camping trip with T'Pring.

 

[ST-One]

Who's April?

Captain Robert April was the first captain of the Enterprise when it was launched in 2245.

Never heard the name...

 

[gastrof]

...I could live with the radical new look as long as the movie is good, but it just doesn't seem to make sense that they'd go so far off the reservation, unless it's "temporary", given everything that's been said by Abrams and the writers about respecting the original. They were pretty creative with the new uniforms, for example, that are different, yet evoke the originals so well. So why go hog wild with the tech, unless there's more going on than we know so far?

I've been wondering the same thing. Why change the ship but leave the uniforms essentially the same?

It could be a "bone" thrown to the "CHANGE NOTHING!" people (like myself), but I dunno. I really don't see how they'd care that much if they changed the bridge so drastically.

If it turns out the uniforms ARE some sort of horrible "compromise" for the sake of "traditonalists", I almost wish they hadn't done it.

 

[Jefferies]

Am I the only one who is bothered by this type of time travel, alternate time line hoopla? Hopefully, you are all terribly mistaken and none of this contrived nonsense is in the movie. I know, time travel is involved to some degree but, hopefully, it is used in a more sophisticated manor than what is being suggested in this thread.

 

[superstring01]

See, I don't get why Nero would want to kill Kirk. Kirk hasn't been much trouble to the Romulans. Aside from destroying the ship in Balance of Terror and stealing the cloaking device in The Enterprise Incident, Kirk never bothered with the Romulans. And I can't see a Romulan wanting to alter the timeline over those two incidents.

Maybe there was a "buttyfly effect" chain of events which he deduced as starting with JTK.

~String

 

[TK421]

It could go something like that. Based on what I've read, especially a few cryptic quotes from Abrams (or one of the writers, can't remember), I think it will go something like this (pure speculation on my part):

Nero travels back in time to change things so that the future is more to his liking. The movie will open with some cataclysmic event brought on by Nero's skullduggery that we know simply cannot be. (Hence the whole "heresy" thing mentioned in the EW article.) This may indeed involve trying to wack Kirk's dad or something, but since we know little of him anyway, I have a feeling it will be a bigger deal than that. Whatever he does, the timeline is indeed altered, though Kirk still lives somehow. The shots we've seen thus far of the radically altered Enterprise bridge are part of this new timeline. Things are indeed very different, though through some typically Treknoligical time-travel mojo, our core group of heroes still ends up together. Through more of the same Trek time-travel mojo, Old Spock is either unaffected by the timeline changes, or is somehow made aware that something isn't right. He travels back in time and attempts to fix the damage done by Nero. He succeeds, or at least does the best he can, and we are left with a new timeline that is closer to the original, but different enough to explain why the tech, uniforms, etc. in the "restored" timeline still look somewhat different than TOS, though not as radically different as we've seen in the shots released so far. I expect that by the end of the movie we will see Kirk and crew on an Enterprise bridge that's closer to the original, but still different. They will all laugh at Spock, and we cut to a shot of the slightly different Enterprise flying off into the unknown. This ending would let us know that it's a timeline that hews closer to the original, which will still allow for some or all of the same adventures they had the first time around, but allows the writers the flexibility to change things up some in future movies.

I love the all laugh at Spock bit at the end.

 

[TK421]

Okay, things we need to work in:

1. Kirk and McCoy are at the academy together. They're both wearing academy uniforms.
2. Kirk ends up in an Enterprise escape pod climbing a cliff and facing a scary monster
3. Sulu ends up in a space suit sword fighting at a rusty looking mining area.
4. There's a mining facility with a shuttle and miners.


What other scenes do we know about?

 

[pookha]

Am I the only one who is bothered by this type of time travel, alternate time line hoopla? Hopefully, you are all terribly mistaken and none of this contrived nonsense is in the movie. I know, time travel is involved to some degree but, hopefully, it is used in a more sophisticated manor than what is being suggested in this thread.

was city contrived nonsense??

if best destiny is a template for the movie nero may have attacked the kelvin thinking jim was on board with his father.
but they got the mission wrong.

and i could see why either what happened in enterprise incident and especially balance of terror would be considered important events for romulans interested in warfare to expand the empire.,

in balance of terror from what the commander and centurion are saying if
they were succesful in their attack this was going to lead to another war with the federation.
and kirk stole from the romulans a cloak device that couldnt be detected at all unlike the one used in balance of terror.

not only could kirk have thwarted another invasion plan this also could have put them in violation of some type of treaty and possibly put them into a postion to make concessions.

two very embarrasing well known failures could have led to unrest within the empire itself.


i still think we will see kirk at different phases of his life.
possibly as far as when he take the koybashi maru,later when he himself is an instructor and later still in the time period were he may be in command of a smaller ship .

that something happens and he takes over enterprise from pike.

as to why the bridge looks different.
well it looked different from the cage to where no man to the series itself.

and i suspect the bridge shot in a period in between the cage and where no man.

 

[I am not Spock]

Yeah, Kruge's BOP bridge changed inbetween TSFS and The Voyage Home! So we can accept the differences between Trek XI and Where No Man Has Gone Before. Besides, the new bridge design has those groovy gooseneck viewer things from The Cage!

 

[Kelso]

Spoiler: AICN Spoilers

He showed me a scene of Ben Cross (Sarek) & Winona Ryder (Amanda Grayson) cradling a baby Spock on the surface of Vulcan.



[Also] a scene that looked like it was shot in an enormous hanger – There looked to be well over a hundred Starfleet graduates standing in the center of the room – with a couple of shuttlecrafts (old school) that looked like they were ready for boarding… the voice over was basically assigning cadets to the ship they would be serving on. ........... It feels as though some Intergalactic Pearl Harbor has happened and all the cadets are anxious to get underway. You’d see cadets running to meet their shuttles – and as shuttles filled up, they took off to take their crews to their respective starships. They hold on the long shot – we hear Leonard McCoy being assigned to the Enterprise – You catch Uhura being assigned to a place… not the Enterprise. You see Chris Pine as Kirk demanding to know why his name wasn’t called out – apparently Kirk is in trouble. You remember that Kobayashi Maru thing he got a commendation for creative thinking for? Well, he isn’t smiling about it here. It seems his entire future career in Starfleet is in jeopardy – and he might miss out on whatever is going on.... [McCoy]’s helping Jim to get onto a ship, but in a million years I wouldn’t spoil that. It’s funny, without being ridiculous. And it begins to exhibit the early kernels of a classic Bones/Kirk interaction. Best friends with a history – and perhaps this moment is a key moment of that history. The favor that launched a career? Perhaps that is what I saw. We see Uhura confront Spock regarding her assignment to NOT the Enterprise. Zoe Saldana doesn’t look like the Uhura we knew – she looks young and hungry, confident and determined. And Spock… perfect.
It all ended with characters arriving on the bridge, under the command of Captain Pike. Sulu was at the helm



AICN

So, it seems that Uhura (at least) is at the Academy at the same time as Kirk and McCoy. Though, Kirk could be as old as thirty (as Kirstie Alley was at the time she played Lt. Saavick) and McCoy could be older. Have there been any leaked pics of Uhura in her academy uniform?

 

[ralph]

Question in a chat: "My guess might be that it has something to do with Kirk taking Pike's place as captain. Am I hot or cold?"

Orci: "luke warm"

 

[section9]

Super Spoiler dead ahead:

Nero seems to come out of Nowheresville. But what if he doesn't? What if he has a far grander, yet more prosaic purpose.

What if his motive is to take revenge for the memory.....

....of his mother.....

http://trekmovie.com/tosrem/ent_incident/tosr059_extra_2.jpg

One would have to assume that Romulans are as long-lived as Vulcans. If my theory about the plot is correct, the Commander was repatriated to Romulus, tried by General Courts Martial, she would have suffered loss of rank and reputation as a cuckold. Her family would have suffered deep disgrace.

And Nero is her only son.

I think I've got it.