May I ask which scripts/outlines are they and how much did they cost? If you prefer not to say, no problem, just ignore this.
Greg Jein collection auction: 300+ TOS scripts
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May I ask which scripts/outlines are they and how much did they cost? If you prefer not to say, no problem, just ignore this.
The full script is "The Mark of Gideon" final draft, the outline is "That Which Survives", when it was still called "Survival". They came in at 360 respectively 550 $, although sometimes you need to add Buyer's Premiums, as you know. International shipping, customs, taxes. So considering it's TOS, the hammer prices were okay, perhaps moderate even, but it accumulates.
I've a few original scripts. TOS is the only hobby I spend money on, so I didn't feel too bad about it
That said, they were very expensive treats.
I'm in the UK so tend to try and buy if they are already over here.
Having said all that, I managed to get Patterns of Force for only $90 last month!
That said, they were very expensive treats.
I'm in the UK so tend to try and buy if they are already over here.
Having said all that, I managed to get Patterns of Force for only $90 last month!
My advice would be to keep your eyes on Ebay pretty frequently, you never know what may pop up.
Oh, that's a pretty nice price! May I ask: do you just look for TOS scripts to read them or do you make sure that it's a production-used copy? I've found that often enough eBay sellers try to pass Lincoln reproductions as 'the real thing', mostly, I'm sure, because they can't tell the difference either.
I only buy production-used, although the odd time a seller isn't sure, I've bought, but you usually find if they're not sure, the price is way lower.
I do have a number of saved searches on Ebay, so I receive a daily e-mail with everything that might interested me. Anyway I'm not really looking for production-used scripts, the Lincoln reproductions are more than enough for me. I'm just interested in reading them, especially unproduced stories.
I'm curious about what folks in this thread feel the future holds for memorabilia newer than TOS.
A little over 20 years ago, I purchased Brent Spiner's personal script of the TNG episode 'Datalore' for $60 on ebay. It had his handwritten notes throughout, was authenticated, the whole nine yards. I kept it for about 13 years and then sold it for $500.
Will there be more of a value 'ceiling' for post-TOS material, do you think, or will everything keep going up as the years roll by?
Considering the amounts being paid for individual TOS 35mm film clips today, I kind of kick myself for selling my collection of 50,000 of them for $4,000 back in 2006 to the lady who ran Leonard Nimoy's fan club. But, life makes its demands of the moment.
Hair piece? That lady has multiple pairs of Shatner's blue jeans! Last I heard, she had over 25,000 different kinds of Trek items in her collection.
A little over 20 years ago, I purchased Brent Spiner's personal script of the TNG episode 'Datalore' for $60 on ebay. It had his handwritten notes throughout, was authenticated, the whole nine yards. I kept it for about 13 years and then sold it for $500.
Will there be more of a value 'ceiling' for post-TOS material, do you think, or will everything keep going up as the years roll by?
Considering the amounts being paid for individual TOS 35mm film clips today, I kind of kick myself for selling my collection of 50,000 of them for $4,000 back in 2006 to the lady who ran Leonard Nimoy's fan club. But, life makes its demands of the moment.
Hair piece? That lady has multiple pairs of Shatner's blue jeans! Last I heard, she had over 25,000 different kinds of Trek items in her collection.
I really don't have an answer to your question, it certainly looks like prices will continue to climb in the ner future.
Aside from this... you had 50,000 TOS film clips? I'm genuallyimpressed. Didn't you scan them before giving them away? There might have been some treasures in there!
You never know, I hate to sound like Young Indiana Jones, but I think the collection belongs in a Museum. Or at least in have these works be digitized for access; such wonderful works from the pioneers of a series I love.
Oh, yes....they were all sorted out to the very last one. The clapperboards, test shots, prop shots, outtakes....all the special stuff was scanned and now resides in the computer system of startrekhistory.com
Does that website still exist? I can't find it these days.
It's dead, Jim. Use the Wayback Machine at Internet Archive:
https://web.archive.org/web/20181221223011/http://startrekhistory.com/index2.html
Oh... well done of course! I loved startrekhistory.com website and I saved it. But are you one of the authors of the Lost Scenes book? (one is here as Alchemist, so maybe the other one...)
No. Back in 2004 or so, I had a phone call from Bob Justman, thanking me and Curt for our efforts at trying to preserve unseen pieces of Star Trek film. We wanted to do a book at that time, but Bob advised that the studio would most likely not approve, because of residuals paid to every actor for images.
I will leave it as Curt and I lost touch over time, but evidently something broke loose over the years to allow Lost Scenes and also Star Trek 365 to get green-lighted.
My vision was for books in larger scope and depth and thoroughness, but I was not in on all of those particulars.
I am simply listed in the contributors as "David B." even though it was Curt and I who got the whole thing started right here on the BBS when I discussed my rare image collection (more than just film clips) and he urged me to allow him to scan the materials into his computer system for archiving and restoration.
Lost Scenes....and even startrekhistory.com were just the tip of the iceberg. Only Curt can speak to whether he intends to share the vast amount of material by some method as we all go forward.
Between needing to sell off stuff because of needs in life, and suffering a major theft, all those images only reside together today in his computer system. I don't have that stuff today.
I will leave it as Curt and I lost touch over time, but evidently something broke loose over the years to allow Lost Scenes and also Star Trek 365 to get green-lighted.
My vision was for books in larger scope and depth and thoroughness, but I was not in on all of those particulars.
I am simply listed in the contributors as "David B." even though it was Curt and I who got the whole thing started right here on the BBS when I discussed my rare image collection (more than just film clips) and he urged me to allow him to scan the materials into his computer system for archiving and restoration.
Lost Scenes....and even startrekhistory.com were just the tip of the iceberg. Only Curt can speak to whether he intends to share the vast amount of material by some method as we all go forward.
Between needing to sell off stuff because of needs in life, and suffering a major theft, all those images only reside together today in his computer system. I don't have that stuff today.
Star Trek Lost Scenes expanded on that website's content greatly so it became obsolete. Besides, no one will pay for a book if they can see the content for free.
Perhaps there will be a future project from Curt and I. I have plenty of material to draw from (film, film clips, scripts, publicity photos, memos, documents, and other goodies).
Please, there is a great void without startrekhistory.com and the book (which is fantastic) has been out several years now, so there too is a void! The depth and details you guys get into is fantastic, I love and miss it.
I'm sorry that a great website like startrekhistory.com was taken down for business reasons. I have the book too, but that's just sad.
Contrariwise, I just found something good. The herocomm site is back up after having been taken down for a long time, purportedly due to the threat of a frivolous lawsuit. This engrossing and gorgeous resource was sorely missed:
http://www.herocomm.com/Home.htm
Contrariwise, I just found something good. The herocomm site is back up after having been taken down for a long time, purportedly due to the threat of a frivolous lawsuit. This engrossing and gorgeous resource was sorely missed:
http://www.herocomm.com/Home.htm
It's time to call a halt to all of this "okey-doke," as Harlan Ellison would say.
Speak for yourself, and don't presume to speak for others. Many people want copies of all kinds of things to own for themselves, regardless of what is free to look at.
At least you've finally let the cat out of the bag that it was mostly about the money all along.
When this all first started, it was my intention to share ALL of the special material right here on the BBS. That's what the project was about to me....sharing the unseen material with the fans. Making people happy and everyone finding out things that they never knew before.
Here we are, two decades later, and what tiny percentage of the rare material has been shared here gratis? What a waste! How many fans have passed away during that time and been deprived of some happiness? All because you two guys have been sitting on the vast majority of the material and letting it languish unshared because you want to make money on it! It's sad and it's sickening!
And then you have the gall to sit up there with Apollo on Mount Olympus and pass judgment on the guy who published the volumes of These Are The Voyages. It is hypocrisy. You are no better!
Let's call out your other half: @Capt.Mac
The last time I attempted to address these matters, he claimed that I had an axe to grind, yada, yada, yada. Bull. Time to stop deflecting and diverting attention from the facts at hand.
I never gave a damn about any money involved. I would have been just as happy to break even or even lose some money on a book project. My focus and passion was always about the unseen history and sharing it. That's now obviously why Curt replaced me with you; my goals were not in alignment with his. Yours are. Last time, he offered the feeble excuse that he could not reach me. Horse hockey. My email address never changed over the years.
I should have known something was amiss fairly early on. When he and I put together the nine 8 1/2 x 11 prints of restored rare images to send to Bob Justman, he didn't allow me to see them before he sent them out. He had a number of spelling errors in the text that he added to the images, which I could have corrected, because proofreading was one of my areas of experience. But, he was exerting his control over everything right then and I failed to see it because of the smooth-talking approach that he began with here on the BBS.
I invite anyone/everyone to use wayback to see how this all began, back in 2003-2004, here in the TOS forum. I believe the thread title was Rare Images.
The only "axe to grind" that I have involves the fact that fans are gone who could have had considerable joy in their lives from the rare material.
There is simply no excuse for that.
The focus on money reduces it all to holding the material hostage, for ransom.
Do what you will with your own stuff. That is your choice. But don't do it with everyone's.
You see, at the very beginning Curt did not have that little disclaimer that all scanned material was his to do with as he saw fit. That came later, after all of my material was already fully scanned into his system.
And: as far as startrekhistory.com and the books, there was no asking contributors about whether or not they wanted their full names included, for attribution. He just went ahead and used first names and first initial of last names. Don't say you are protecting identities if you never asked folks their wishes.
Everything was lumped in together and no effort was made to keep track of who contributed what. I do remember, on startrekhistory.com, footage from a cut scene of City, in which he thanked some other contributor when it was part of the material that he received from me.
The cut arboretum scene, from Elaan, that was detailed in Star Trek 365 ? The images were from film clips that I contributed and the dialogue came from Bob Justman's personal script that I had acquired. (He had donated it to charity and I had purchased it from those folks....that was a while before our phone conversation, but we did chat about it for a few minutes at that time.)
I call SHAME on these two guys for handling things in the manner that they have for all these years.
Fans have been needlessly missing out on a lot of great material and these two have also been hoarding the credit for what little they have released.
Sorry, guys, but you really could have had a massive, long-running thread here dedicated to all of the rare material. Plenty of books would still have sold. A lot of people want their personal physical copies.
Here is your opportunity to finally step up and make good on this, at least for the fans who are still with us.
How about we start with the photo proofs from The Enemy Within ? I bet a lot of people would get a kick out of seeing the guy with the tape measure in the corridor of the Enterprise. Or how about the costume test with the guy's wristwatch clearly visible? Or how about those shaggy trees? Or....
