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graves world

Jadzia

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how long does a TNG transporter take to complete a dematerialise/materialise?

Because if it is only seconds - as it appears to be on screen - then what was the deal with the near warp transport at Graves world? Was it really worth the extra effort and time to organise and explain it to the crew, given that it only saved maybe five seconds? Not to mention the added risk of it going wrong.

Jadzia
 
Apparently, the transport cycle indeed takes a couple of seconds - which is actually too long for the procedure we saw, if we assume the ship didn't actually come to a dead stop but rather did a "touch and go". Within seconds, the ship would have traveled a distance too great for the transporter to span...

However, it's not too difficult to rationalize the things we saw. Perhaps the actual transmission part of transporter use only takes a split second, even if the preceding dematerialization and the subsequent rematerialization take several seconds. This would explain both this near-warp transport and the later full-warp transports such as seen in VOY "Maneuvers".

As for the rationale for the "touch and go", we could argue that some star systems are "hostile" to warp travel, or have nasty subspace "weather". This means that one (sometimes, during the bad weather spells) cannot use warp engines within those systems, including Sol and Bajor - or at least one cannot do warp accelerations and decelerations. But perhaps just flying through is okay, and only the ramping up and down of warp fields is the part that doesn't jibe with subspace storms. It might then be a good idea to drop out of warp only briefly and not let the warp field die down. A stop of one second would mean just a stop of one second, but a stop of ten seconds might mean a tediously slow acceleration back to warp over the next ten hours...

Think of it as analogous to deploying a payload from a military transport plane. If the plane lands, the deceleration and takeoff will take several minutes. But if the plane simply flies very low, slows down to near-stall, and drops the load while still (barely) airborne, then acceleration back to cruise speed will take significantly less time.

Or think of deploying a diver from a planing boat or a jetfoil. If the boat is allowed to slow down to below planing or flying speed, a lot of time is lost. But if the boat maintains the minimum speed required for planing or flying and simply kicks out the diver, a significant amount of time is saved.

It's too bad we never saw this maneuver again. But blaming it on "subspace weather" would solve that problem: only a select few systems, at select times, would make the "touch and go" necessary. In most systems, the ship could come to a full stop, deploy the away team, and then engage maximum warp again, with little loss of time.

Timo Saloniemi
 
I never really understood that either. I don't remember what emergency the Enterprise was responding to, but in every episode I remember, the entire transport process seem to only take a few seconds, maybe a few seconds more to lock sensors onto the site just before the away team was beamed down. So worst case they were dropping out of warp for... 30 seconds... 1 minute? I can't imagine that a minute would have mattered that much.

If Picard was in such a hurry to respond to the original emergency, why didn't he just ignore Ira Grave's message rather than risk half of his command crew during a risky transport process?

**EDITED**

Timo and I seemed to reply at the same time. As always his reasoning makes perfect "fictional" sense.
 
Timo and I seemed to reply at the same time. As always his reasoning makes perfect "fictional" sense.

*smiles* thats a clever explanation Timo, I like it... kinda.

I can't remember what happened in the return journey where they went back to pick up the away team, if they warped away from Graves world or not.
 
This episode has one of those cool shots where the camera sits inside Ten-Forward and we watch as the ship turns away from Gravesworld and more or less immediately goes to warp.

Going by the space weather theory, we could argue the storm was over. Going by the theory that the system of Gravesworld is permanently hostile to warp, we could argue that the acceleration was a very slow and tedious one, compared with accelerations out of other star systems.

Perhaps the latter theory would be more acceptable when we remember that our heroes never really discussed why the touch and go was necessary. If it were due to weather, they'd probably curse their bad luck of having to come in during a storm...

Certainly subspace weather would be an attractive explanation for why Bajor seems warp-hostile at times ("By Inferno's Light", and all those eps where our heroes fly their runabouts from DS9 to Bajor at impulse even in emergencies) but is warp-friendly most of the time (as the Defiant effortlessly warps out). After all, we know for a fact that Bajor has rough weather, as per "Invasive Procedures". Whether the same could apply to Earth where our heroes hesitate to use warp even when trying to outrun the Borg to prevent armageddon... Well, most types of subspace weather might be invisible to the eye, or to today's science. Sol might be subject to frequent storms, so routine that shipboard automation takes care of keeping the ships from warping when the weather is too dangerous, and we 21st century humans would be none the wiser.

Timo Saloniemi
 
It was on just last night here in the UK, but I picked up a new game for the Gamecube and wanted to try it out. It was a Medal of Honor game, IIRC the fellow who played Graves did a voice over for the last one.

I liked the scene where the Enterprise goes to warp as Graves' coffin spins by in space, and, of course, any appearance by Suzie Plaxton is appreciated.
 
AWT isn't quite as cantankerous. Surely? :lol: On the subject of Graves' world, is that the official name of the planet, or just a description? And if it is the name of the planet, does he own it? And if so, how does one go about owning a planet? I ask these questions because a) I haven't seen the episode in about 20 years, and b) I'm laid up at home with a bad back and my brain needs something to occupy it.
 
It was on just last night here in the UK

Yes it was shown on Virgin1 on Monday. So I guess you all know how I spend my weekday evenings from 8-9pm now don't you? :)

I thought Graves looked like that chef on BBC's ready-steady-cook

Graves: *whistles* "If I only had a heart... preferably baked in pastry with a spring of rosemary."

Graves: "Do you *know*, what gluttony is, Data?"

Graves: "Doctors aren't people... they're wealthy diners."

Data: "Just look at that face. The face of gastronomy. A feaster. A man for all seasonings. Yes. Ira Graves was all that and more. To love him was to feed him. To feed him was to love him. Those who knew him, fed him, while those who didn't know him, ate at his restaurant. Those..."
Picard: "Data."
Data: "Just another mouthful Sir."
Picard: "You're finished Data. Pass the plate."

Picard: "We now commit this plate of canopes to the timeless depths of my stomach."
Picard: *nods to Geordi*
Geordi. "Setting Gas mark 6 for 20 minutes, Sir."
Picard: "Energise."


:eek: :lol:
 
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