Spoilers Gotham - Season 2
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Isn't she like a former celebrity? I'm sure she can still pull some headlines for fashion magazines and gets sponsored by them. 
Bruce has been a lot more interesting with his increased agency of late. Of course, Gordon goes for the brass knuckles. And while I don't know a lot from the comics it's pretty wild seeing Azrael on Gotham. Speaking of comics I assume Hugo Strange as the Philosopher isn't canon but it's an interesting twist to tie in his storyline.
It's sad to see Karen Jennings go, she endeared herself well considering it was a one-shot. And everything surrounding Barbara is insane so why not bring Michelle Gomez in for a cameo.
It's sad to see Karen Jennings go, she endeared herself well considering it was a one-shot. And everything surrounding Barbara is insane so why not bring Michelle Gomez in for a cameo.
That's an intriguing notion.
DC's characters and universe have been reinvented so many times that I don't think "canon" is an applicable concept anyway.
Yeah, maybe canon isn't quite right especially with the baggage that word brings so much as having not been established or used before. In particular, tying in with Bruce's backstory seemed to be new territory.
All I could think of when I saw Mr. Freeze appear in his new armor was that Robot Chicken skit where Lex Luthor is putting on his battle armor for the first time. "Ow!" "Tyler, I told you not to play ball in here!"
Freeze didn't have a helmet = fail 
Entertaining episode as always. Great to see Bruce and Gordon working together to actively investigate the Wayne muders and actually accomplishing something. The girl of indeterminate age was a great character and performance and it sucked that she was immediately killed off.
Entertaining episode as always. Great to see Bruce and Gordon working together to actively investigate the Wayne muders and actually accomplishing something. The girl of indeterminate age was a great character and performance and it sucked that she was immediately killed off.
Binge-watched the last three episodes.
I figured he might be someone of note.
But they have to do something about Wong's bald cap.
A very interesting shift for the character. There's no going back now.
She was ravishing all around. Now can she redeem herself enough to get back with Gordon and produce Batgirl? I wouldn't put it past this show to do that. Or will Lee's baby fill that role?
Why did she get the striped prison outfit while Gordon got the less cartoony blue shirt.
It's true to Batman but it's got the one thing you usually see with prequelitis... They're practically playing out the Batman mythos long before Bruce becomes Batman.
Yeah, but... Face Time. I think. Maybe the suit is like those open refrigerators/freezers you see at the grocery store.Freeze didn't have a helmet = fail
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She was at Arkham, he was at Blackgate prison.
I keep forgetting that The New 52 has retconned Barbara Eileen Gordon into Barbara-Batgirl's biological mother. In the previous continuity, Babs was Jim's niece whom he and Sarah Essen adopted. Still, the two Barbaras have only been treated as biologically related for the past five years (and, well, implicitly back in the early '80s when Barbara Kean was first introduced in an alternate-universe story), so it's not like it's the only possibility. The show's played fast and loose enough with continuity as it is.
I always had the sense that the weird hybrid nature of this show was the result of the network not trusting the premise. "A gritty crime drama about the corrupt Gotham PD? Who's gonna watch that? Everyone's gonna expect Batman and the Joker and supervillains, so you have to put them in the show! Who cares if it makes sense?" Like how the makers of Star Trek: Enterprise wanted to avoid Klingons and transporters and time travel and all that familiar Trek-universe stuff and focus more on the early days of Earth's interstellar program, but were required by a wary network to stick in more familiar elements for fear that the audience wouldn't be interested without them.
At least Smallville spent its first few seasons avoiding most of the Superman mythos and focusing on stuff that fit its own setting. It didn't start to fold in elements from his adult life and career as Superman until later seasons, and at least it phased them in gradually. Although I suppose the difference is that there's already a lot established about Clark Kent's youth in Smallville that could be used in the series -- Ma and Pa Kent, Lana Lang, Pete Ross, and his early friendship with Lex Luthor from the Silver Age Superboy comics, plus post-Crisis ideas like the teenage Clark discovering his powers and origins for the first time. Not all that much has been established about the first few years after Bruce Wayne was orphaned.
Still, the initial premise of Gotham wasn't that bad. It was supposed to be sort of a cross between Batman: Year One and Gotham Central, a GCPD-centric show about Jim Gordon dealing with the corruption in the GCPD and taking on the powerful mobsters of Gotham City, so you had a lot of characters to draw on like Bullock, Essen, Montoya, Allen, Falcone, Maroni, and Commissioner Loeb. And charting the young Penguin's rise to power in the underworld is not an unreasonable path to take in that setting. And having a background thread of a young Bruce Wayne coping with the murder of his parents wasn't an unreasonable inclusion. Bruce was actually the best thing about the first season.
But they just lost focus. They threw in Riddler and Catwoman and Poison Ivy prematurely, they had Penguin rise too fast and got rid of Falcone and Maroni too fast, they dropped Montoya and Allen for no apparent reason, and it just started to go more and more off the rails and cram in more and more Batman characters, rather than really committing to its early-days characters and threads for several seasons like Smallville did. I never thought I'd be holding up Smallville as a good example of a superhero adaptation, but it did handle the pacing and focus of a prequel far better than Gotham, at least in its early seasons.
I've been thinking Barbara will make some grand sacrifice that will inspire Gordon to name the baby in her honor.
Bald cap? Looked like he shaved his head to me. He even has some stubble in more recent episodes.
It's just odd seeing two drastically different styles of prison garb on the show.
I always think of Jim as her father and what little I know of her mother comes from snippets of this or that. I just kind of accepted at some point that Babs Sr. was the mother.
So we've been told.
Come to think of it, how would the baby (if there is one) get the name 'Barbara'. She'd have to be named already and Lee wouldn't name her kid after Jim's crazy ex, would she? I suppose they could make the kid Barbara's psychotic brother.
I thought he shaved his head too but then an episode later it looked like a translucent bald cap where you could see that a lot of hair was stuffed underneath. Then I did a quick search and found this interview that confirms that it's a bald cap.
Can we talk about the bald cap?
Yeah, sure we can.
How long does it take to apply?
It takes two and a half hours. There are lots of variables in a TV show, but it takes a half an hour to take it off too! But it’s totally worth it. I love not being myself, and I don’t think I would like to go home and be bald. The impression is a very physically strong one, so it’s really great to be able to escape from it and be yourself [when you go home]. I love being able to use the make-up and hair to help create a person that didn’t exist before. They could have figured out a way to make him look more like me, and I actually wasn’t interested in that. I didn’t care about two and a half hours of make-up. I wanted to incorporate the original looks from the comic.
Yeah, sure we can.
How long does it take to apply?
It takes two and a half hours. There are lots of variables in a TV show, but it takes a half an hour to take it off too! But it’s totally worth it. I love not being myself, and I don’t think I would like to go home and be bald. The impression is a very physically strong one, so it’s really great to be able to escape from it and be yourself [when you go home]. I love being able to use the make-up and hair to help create a person that didn’t exist before. They could have figured out a way to make him look more like me, and I actually wasn’t interested in that. I didn’t care about two and a half hours of make-up. I wanted to incorporate the original looks from the comic.
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I hope Galivan is just crazy and channeling "Azrael" doctrine from the true order's history, and isn't just the show's fake version of Azrael, who has a much bigger history spanning the ages, and plays a very prominent role in the future of the Bat mythos.