Bruce Wayne meets Batman
Spoilers Gotham - Season 2
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Great to see the Riddler going into action.
I take HUGE issue with them jumping forward on the timeline like that, though. Gordon gets arrested and BOOM the trial already happened and he's been convicted?! What the hell? The Penguin JUST met his Father! Now we don't get to see how they get to know each other. Him meeting his siblings for the first time. We don't see Bruce living on the streets for a month. I want to see all those things!
I take HUGE issue with them jumping forward on the timeline like that, though. Gordon gets arrested and BOOM the trial already happened and he's been convicted?! What the hell? The Penguin JUST met his Father! Now we don't get to see how they get to know each other. Him meeting his siblings for the first time. We don't see Bruce living on the streets for a month. I want to see all those things!
To be fair, we just went through Gordon being investigated. Having a trial rehashing everything we've already seen twice (once when he did it, once when he was being investigated) would be a bit overkill, especially since we already know that he's been framed for something he didn't do but should have been punished similarly for anyway.
Did Nygma just suddenly snap (well, again)? Sure he was gradually getting eviller, but he just suddenly went full supervillain.
Penguin: With parents like that, how could he NOT turn out crazy?!
Bruce: effing awesome. This kid IS Batman.
Edward
To me, it felt like they were missing an episode... where Ed would come to the realization that he got away with something, and see what ELSE he could get away with. Or earlier, contemplate doing an unsolvable crime...
With his time with Penguin, did Penguin ever point out how Ed's job would provide the perfect help for his crimes?
Thought it was funny Ed telling how Oswald how he was creeped out by the new Penguin (with feathers, no less)
Note to writers: When growing mushrooms, tanning (UV) lights create the complete opposite of required conditions. 
Other than that, home run!
Other than that, home run!
I forgot about effect jumping over the trial will have on Penguin and Bruce/Selina's stories. That is annoying.
Yes, credits are determined by contract and their placement determines/represents the terms of payment. Anyone whose name is in the "above the line" credits at the start of a show not only gets paid for the episode, but gets residuals every time it's rerun or sold on home video (or streamed, I guess). That's why I find it so odd that this show keeps crediting "regulars" that it doesn't use. It seems wasteful of the show's budget.
That must be why some shows, like Daredevil only credit the regulars who actually appear in the episode. I noticed that cable shows seem to be quicker to only credit actors who appear in that specific episode while network shows seem to always credit everybody a lot more often. I can't remember for sure, but I think it was Hell on Wheels that once ran the entire credits sequence but only had two actors' names in them.
Showing Gordon's trial would have at least been a good excuse to give give Nicholas D'Agosto's Harvey Dent some more screen time.
Showing Gordon's trial would have at least been a good excuse to give give Nicholas D'Agosto's Harvey Dent some more screen time.
24 wouldn't list any regulars that didn't appear in the episode, although that would also spoil when a character would return at the last second for a cliffhanger.
The Walking Dead lists a bunch of the actors who don't appear in the opening credits in the "also starring" credits even though they don't appear in the episode.
That was one of the most schizzophrenic hours of TV ever. 
A story: Straight-on hard-as-nails prison story.
B story: Timothy Burton/Neil Gaiman off-the-wall gothic family melodrama.
So after all that trouble faking Jim's death, he goes back for the cat, and the warden finds out. So it was all for nothing, and warden can now report him as an escaped convict. His hole gets dug deeper and deeper.
A story: Straight-on hard-as-nails prison story.
B story: Timothy Burton/Neil Gaiman off-the-wall gothic family melodrama.
So after all that trouble faking Jim's death, he goes back for the cat, and the warden finds out. So it was all for nothing, and warden can now report him as an escaped convict. His hole gets dug deeper and deeper.
There are a number of cases where shows hold off the credit of a surprise guest star until the start of the end titles. For instance,
the Daredevil episode that ended with Wilson Fisk's reveal in prison didn't credit Vincent D'Onofrio until the end titles.
I didn't think of it like that but you're right.That was one of the most schizzophrenic hours of TV ever.
A story: Straight-on hard-as-nails prison story.
B story: Timothy Burton/Neil Gaiman off-the-wall gothic family melodrama.
There was something funny about hearing Penguin say "What's wrong with you, woman?" to his sister. (And then the brother asking if perhaps he should try to seduce him)
I almost thought that warden was played by Matt Frewer for a moment.
Ugh. They jumped forward another month in the timeline! So Bruce has been living on the streets for two months and we're not seeing any of it.
If Lee really lost her baby off-screen that would be messed up. I can only assume she's lying to help Jim forget about her.
I really enjoy this show, but it's so bizarre how they cycle through stories and characters. Gordon goes from being a cop to an inmate in ten minutes of screen time. Penguin spends half a season on the run, finally escapes and makes it back to reclaim power, then gets arrested off-screen and thrown into Arkham and then gets turned into a good hearted pansy and now he's living out this bizarre domestic drama. They just seem to be throwing every against the wall willy nilly and hoping something sticks
Also, we haven't seen Hugo Strange and Mr Freeze in what two episodes? I miss 'em!
And yet, this OTT cartoonish un-reality is precisely what makes it so entertaining for me. Go figure.
If Lee really lost her baby off-screen that would be messed up. I can only assume she's lying to help Jim forget about her.
I really enjoy this show, but it's so bizarre how they cycle through stories and characters. Gordon goes from being a cop to an inmate in ten minutes of screen time. Penguin spends half a season on the run, finally escapes and makes it back to reclaim power, then gets arrested off-screen and thrown into Arkham and then gets turned into a good hearted pansy and now he's living out this bizarre domestic drama. They just seem to be throwing every against the wall willy nilly and hoping something sticks
Also, we haven't seen Hugo Strange and Mr Freeze in what two episodes? I miss 'em!
And yet, this OTT cartoonish un-reality is precisely what makes it so entertaining for me. Go figure.
And I read that Gordon was sent to prison because he was framed for a murder he didn't commit? Why go that route, when he's actually guilty of at least two murders -- the felony murder of that henchman in the season premiere (which fails the self-defense test because it occurred during Gordon's commission of a crime) and the outright murder of Galavan (I think it was) in the midseason cliffhanger? I guess they want him sent away for a crime he can be cleared of when it all turns out to be a hoax, but that's pretty hypocritical given that their version of Jim Gordon is now and will forever be an actual murderer.
I read an interesting theory (which of course isn't true, but makes way more sense) that both Gotham and the DCCU (or whatever people are calling it) is actually about the rise of the Justice Lords, not the Justice League. Things make a lot more sense from that perspective.
Based on the reviews of B v S, (and how I thought of the tone of Man of Steel), it seems to be the DC F-U
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This last episode is just crazy.
For Penguin, an excuse to becoming a bad guy..though not sure how he'll be able to get his father's property (which is also strange... some pretty rich tailors!)
And Gordon's story....while I like the prison guard who helped him escape (and hope he eventually joins GCPD), the whole storyline is ridiculous. How does he become police commissioner after going to jail --- even if he is cleared?
One bright spot -- Donal Logue did a great job as Harvey....he's come a long way (the character), and Donal wasable to give Harvey a wide range of emotion. HE needs to be commissioner!