Gotham - Season 1
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Lucius is isignificantly older than Bruce, especially if you base him on the movie version. He'd surely be an adult, possibly in his 40s or 50s, in the Gotham timeframe.
Will Smith. 
louis gossett jr? He played Lucius in "The Batman" cartoon.
Or the usual two black actors I see as scientists in tv and movie roles
Joe Morton- Terminator 2,Eureka, Smallville
Dorian Harewood- Viper
Or the usual two black actors I see as scientists in tv and movie roles
Joe Morton- Terminator 2,Eureka, Smallville
Dorian Harewood- Viper
The parts with Bruce and Alfred are some of my favourite parts of the show. So yeah, I completely disagree with the poster who said they are forcing the story.
Bruce Wayne getting therapy and being raised like a normal kid = No Batman. Think, people!
I agree about the Bruce/Alfred bits. They're far and away the best part of the show. In the end, he may just be a kid, but he's still the Goddamned Batmam.
Pertwee is far and away my favorite Alfred. Certainly Caine was great--he's always great--but he was just Michael Caine.
It just occurred to me that, with Sands, they've had Zor-El and Jor-El as subsequent baddies.
Pertwee is far and away my favorite Alfred. Certainly Caine was great--he's always great--but he was just Michael Caine.
It just occurred to me that, with Sands, they've had Zor-El and Jor-El as subsequent baddies.
You know, I've probably said this already in this thread, but I really dislike the attitude that Bruce is only Batman because he's emotionally unhealthy. How cynical it is to assume that no sane, well-adjusted person would ever want to help people or do good? I think Bruce being Batman is a very rational decision -- the recognition that his intelligence, resources, and abilities let him help people in a way that most others can't, a way that only seems strange to most people because it's not what they're accustomed to. Yes, he's motivated by his past tragedy because he wants to spare others from suffering the same, but that's compassion, not pathology. Channeling pain into the pursuit of a constructive goal is a very healthy way of dealing with it.
And that's what I like about Gotham's Bruce. Yes, he's got a lot of buried anger and Alfred is encouraging him to take it out in rather aggressive ways, but he's also very rational and self-aware, and is letting his grief motivate him constructively, not toward revenge or self-destruction but toward protecting others from tragedy.
And that's what I like about Gotham's Bruce. Yes, he's got a lot of buried anger and Alfred is encouraging him to take it out in rather aggressive ways, but he's also very rational and self-aware, and is letting his grief motivate him constructively, not toward revenge or self-destruction but toward protecting others from tragedy.
He dresses up like a bat to and goes out ever night looking for crime to somehow make for his parent's death and he does it all out of the law. That sounds pretty unheathly to me, he won't get married and pass on the Wayne family name, he cna never get over the murder of his parents. In his own way he's just as unhealthy as the criminals he odes after.
Who's assuming that? Given how things work in the real world though, I think it's safe to assume that no sane, well-adjusted person would dress up like a bat and fight murderous lunatics.
Hence the large number of orphans who've grown up to become rodent-themed vigilantes IRL.
All I'm saying (though you'll insist you weren't responding directly to me) is that if he went through conventional, real world means of dealing with his tragedy, Bruce might grow up to be a billionaire philanthropist with an interest in fighting crime and injustice via the conventional means available to him within the system...but he wouldn't grow up to be Batman. The unconventional means via which he's dealing with his loss that some other posters find disturbing are his origin...the means by which he becomes an unconventional individual.
You're acting like there's nothing unconventional about growing up to become Batman. Happens all the time!
Bruce could hire an army of private security to police Gotham for what it costs him to be Batman.
It's insanely selfish.
It's insanely selfish.
Or develop Bat-Robots and skip straight to Kingdom Come.
I thought it was great when he assimilated the street scum gang thugs into his army in (well they did it themselves. weak meek sheep mother fuckers.) Dark Knight.
All he he needs to do is open a chicken rendering factory, that pays above minimum wage that only hires excons, and wham, there is no Criminal element.
All he he needs to do is open a chicken rendering factory, that pays above minimum wage that only hires excons, and wham, there is no Criminal element.
That's the problem with that argument, though: Superhero comics aren't the real world. They're a world where dressing in a colorful disguise to fight crime is a commonplace practice. Within that context, wearing a cape and costume to fight crime is no more irrational than wearing a numbered jersey and a helmet with an animal mascot on the side to play football. It's simply the accepted uniform. Using "real world" standards is a conceptual mismatch and leads to an illegitimate conclusion.
It is wrongheaded in the extreme to equate conformity with rationality. Being unique is not insane.
And you missed my point by ignoring the rest of that sentence. What I said was that Bruce's decision was rational for him specifically, because he had exceptional resources and abilities at his disposal and was thus in a position to act in an exceptional way. So countering that he's not like everyone else is misguided as a refutation of my point, since it's part of my actual point to begin with. His extraordinary methods are commensurate with his extraordinary potential. Genius and nonconformity go hand in hand.
And as I've said, I find that misguided and cynical. It's co-opting the accepted conventions of the comic-book world into an excuse to reject the legitimacy of Batman's heroism, to paint him as a pathological figure rather than a noble one. It's a faulty argument, because the trappings don't matter; they're just part of the fictional world, the part you suspend disbelief about, like humanoid aliens and universal translators in Star Trek. What matters is who Bruce Wayne is as a character, and I prefer the interpretation of him as a rational and noble figure, a man who's consciously directed his grief into a constructive goal, over the cynical and condescending interpretation of him as a dysfunctional or delusional figure who deserves only mockery.
He wanders the streets looking for people to beat half to death.
Not nice people, sure.
But after ten years of that and there's still the same number of criminals to put in the hospital, it's clear that he's treating the symptom and not the disease.
In the real world, Son of Sam killed blonde women after dark.
In the real world, women stopped going out after dark and a huge amount of blonde women died their hair, until Son of Sam was captured because of a errant parking ticket.
Prey needs to adapt to their predators habits or they are food.
Not nice people, sure.
But after ten years of that and there's still the same number of criminals to put in the hospital, it's clear that he's treating the symptom and not the disease.
In the real world, Son of Sam killed blonde women after dark.
In the real world, women stopped going out after dark and a huge amount of blonde women died their hair, until Son of Sam was captured because of a errant parking ticket.
Prey needs to adapt to their predators habits or they are food.
But we're not talking about superhero comics, where Batman is part of a shared universe with lots of precedent for people putting on costumes to fight crime. We're talking about the world of Gotham, where as far as we know, he'll be the first. A superhero, with or without powers, is an extraordinary individual who dramatically requires extraordinary/unusual circumstances to help him to become a superhero. That's pretty much all that I was saying in the first place. Take away the extraordinary elements of his upbringing that so many here are becoming disturbed by and replace them with conventional means of dealing with his tragedy, and you can expect a conventional result.
In this case, "conformity" applies to the everyone who lives in the real world. As little as people in this world can find to agree universally upon, we seem to have all come to the conclusion that running around at night in tights looking to engage armed, hardened criminals in fisticuffs would be such an extremely stupid thing to do, that somebody who did manage to get caught at it before getting himself killed probably would wind up getting some state-sponsored psychiatric care.
There are superheros in the real world.
Crazies in rubber suits who go on patrol.
Crazies in rubber suits who go on patrol.
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