Gotham - Season 1

[Forbin]

Is it still the New York World Trade Centre, or is it the Gotham World Trade Centre, and if so was the World Trade Centre always in Gotham, and has it been 911ed or will it be 911ed when 911 happens because this is the past?

It's not called anything "Centre" in NY or Gotham...this is America, dammit!

We'll just call it "that there building" then.

Or "dat dere buildin'", in New Yawk.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Wurld Trayd Sintur

 

[Forbin]

Woild.

 

[Servo]

^Yes, but my point was not to say that Joker could beat Batman as a rule, since hardly anyone could -- just that he was a young, healthy, and reasonably strong individual who was capable of fighting in general and who has been known to employ physical violence on a regular basis. As JD said, one of the things the modern Joker is most known for is beating Jason Todd to death. So he is a physical type of villain, the kind who does indeed use his fists as well as guns, gimmicks, and strategems.

Heck, even Cesar Romero's Joker participated in the fight scenes, and Romero was 59 at the start of the series. Of course, stunt doubles did most of the fighting, but the Joker was not one of the villains who held back and let the henchmen do the biff-pow-zlopp stuff. In his very first episode, there's a scene where he gets his hands around Batman's throat and strangles him, which was surprisingly vicious for that show.

Guess I just misunderstood what you meant. I thought you were saying the Joker was generally portrayed as being able to stand toe-to-toe with Batman. My apologies.

 

[Christopher]

^No problem -- I can see how my choice of words was misleading.

 

[R.Data]

I think that this series is really improving, the only really wrong thing is Batman himself! Forcing this story with that child it's just wrong.
I really hope that they will change this part and make it more interesting, right now it's just turning the rhythm off.

 

[Servo]

I think that this series is really improving, the only really wrong thing is Batman himself! Forcing this story with that child it's just wrong.
I really hope that they will change this part and make it more interesting, right now it's just turning the rhythm off.

I have no idea what "Forcing this story with that child" is supposed to mean, but I couldn't disagree more with the sentiment of your post.

Mazouz's young Bruce is one of the best things about the show. The way he is choosing to deal with the death of his parents, how he views and conducts himself as the effective head of the Wayne family, and his relationship with Alfred, are among the most engaging scenes this show has to offer.

 

[Christopher]

I have no idea what "Forcing this story with that child" is supposed to mean, but I couldn't disagree more with the sentiment of your post.

Mazouz's young Bruce is one of the best things about the show. The way he is choosing to deal with the death of his parents, how he views and conducts himself as the effective head of the Wayne family, and his relationship with Alfred, are among the most engaging scenes this show has to offer.

I agree wholeheartedly... although I'm not sure "head of the Wayne family" is the right way to put it, given that he's the entire Wayne family at this point. So he's the head of himself. But yeah, I take your meaning about Bruce taking responsibility for himself. He's forcing himself to grow up at a very early age.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Bruce Wayne is crazy and damaged, and in stead of receiving therapy and medication, Alfred makes him more mental.

 

[Servo]

I have no idea what "Forcing this story with that child" is supposed to mean, but I couldn't disagree more with the sentiment of your post.

Mazouz's young Bruce is one of the best things about the show. The way he is choosing to deal with the death of his parents, how he views and conducts himself as the effective head of the Wayne family, and his relationship with Alfred, are among the most engaging scenes this show has to offer.

I agree wholeheartedly... although I'm not sure "head of the Wayne family" is the right way to put it, given that he's the entire Wayne family at this point. So he's the head of himself. But yeah, I take your meaning about Bruce taking responsibility for himself. He's forcing himself to grow up at a very early age.

Yeah, I suppose what I mean is that he's not just taking responsibility for himself, but also for representing the Wayne family name and legacy. But you hit the nail on the head when you say he's forcing himself to grow up. The scenes from next week's trailer would seem to imply he intends to take that a step further by trying to get more involved in Wayne Enterprises.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Who's going to play young Lucius Fox?

 

[Nerys Myk]

Who's going to play young Lucius Fox?

An actor they can afford.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Could they afford Morgan's voice?

A Charlie's Angels sort of dealio.

Similar to the cut price deal they had with Terrance Stamp in Smallville.

 

[Crusher Disciple]

I agree wholeheartedly... although I'm not sure "head of the Wayne family" is the right way to put it, given that he's the entire Wayne family at this point. So he's the head of himself. But yeah, I take your meaning about Bruce taking responsibility for himself. He's forcing himself to grow up at a very early age.

In all the incarnations of Batman, has there ever been any more of the Wayne family? Uncles to Bruce, distant cousins? Was Thomas an only child like Bruce?

 

[Nerys Myk]

I agree wholeheartedly... although I'm not sure "head of the Wayne family" is the right way to put it, given that he's the entire Wayne family at this point. So he's the head of himself. But yeah, I take your meaning about Bruce taking responsibility for himself. He's forcing himself to grow up at a very early age.

In all the incarnations of Batman, has there ever been any more of the Wayne family? Uncles to Bruce, distant cousins? Was Thomas an only child like Bruce?

There was an Uncle Phillip who popped up now and again. I think he was Martha's brother the last time he did.

 

[Christopher]

There's Aunt Harriet, but the comics established her as Dick Grayson's aunt. I think the show may have implied she was related to Bruce instead, but since Bruce and Dick both called her "Aunt Harriet," it's hard to be sure. (I suppose if she was Bruce's aunt and Dick was his adopted son, that would make her Dick's great-aunt, and he could just call her "Aunt Harriet" as a shorthand.)

 

[1001001]

I loved the scene where Alfred is waiting at the top of the hill for the injured Bruce.

Alfred's character is a true revelation, brilliantly executed, IMHO.

 

[Greg Cox]

In the modern comics, Bruce is vaguely related to Kate Kane (aka Batwoman). Can't remember the exact relationship, but she's like a distant cousin or something.

 

[DWF]

I thought it was irresponsible of Afred to just let Bruce go out on his own so it was nice see Alfred show up. Really though survival was pretty much the theme of this one Bruce, Fish and Oswald all went though some kind of survival story even if Oswald was saved by Falcone.

 

[Christopher]

In the modern comics, Bruce is vaguely related to Kate Kane (aka Batwoman). Can't remember the exact relationship, but she's like a distant cousin or something.

They apparently have an uncle, Philip Kane, in common, which would make them cousins. Martha Wayne's maiden name was Kane.