Janeway takes three of the crew who are idle and, with various implications and character evaluations included, take them on an away mission. What is the reason for this ep.? Where is the ep. connected to -Good Shepherd?
'Good Shepherd' is their a reason?
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Could you rephrase the question?
Janeway is a shepherdess with a flock of a hundred 145 sheep and one gerbil.
She was breaking bad because 3 of them wandered off and got lost, and it was all her fault.
What a naughty naughty little shepherdess.
Maybe they would aspire to some greatness if she showed a little interest rather than letting them coast under the radar for 6 years where they were slowing fading away into nothing.
They could have as easily called the episode "Mommy Dearest"
Janeway got to prove that she was a good sheperdess after all by doing exactly what she should have been doing for the last 6 years finally... Which is like forgetting to water the flowers on the other side of the lounge, and they die, and you think you might bring them back to life two weeks later by downing the shit out of them with a few gallons of water.
An A for effort, but still too little too late.
She was breaking bad because 3 of them wandered off and got lost, and it was all her fault.
What a naughty naughty little shepherdess.
Maybe they would aspire to some greatness if she showed a little interest rather than letting them coast under the radar for 6 years where they were slowing fading away into nothing.
They could have as easily called the episode "Mommy Dearest"
Janeway got to prove that she was a good sheperdess after all by doing exactly what she should have been doing for the last 6 years finally... Which is like forgetting to water the flowers on the other side of the lounge, and they die, and you think you might bring them back to life two weeks later by downing the shit out of them with a few gallons of water.
An A for effort, but still too little too late.
Janeway just wanted to make these crewmembers feel appreciated and that their contributions to the ship were just as valuable as any other. Commendable, really. I'm sure it's a common problem for junior officers aboard a ship like this to feel that they don't matter just because they are of lower rank. Janeway wanted to reassure them that this was not true.
Think back to your days at school.
You had as little as 30 people in your class, and there were 7 to 10 classes in each grade.
That makes 210 to 300 kids the same age, in the same classes, playing the same sports, going to the same dances and trying to find a meaningful connection and such forth, your peer group... You knew all their names and talked to most of them at least enough to know that you never wanted to talk to them again.
150 people on a ship the size of Voyager?
150 people on the surface of the planet in basics?
70 percent she hand picked for her ship, and the rest, the Maquis, she should be damn afraid that they'd gut her while she's sleeping, and read up on them extensively and made an effort to make sure that they liked her.
Captain Stubing invites all sorts of people from the crew and passengers to have dinner with him every night... Can we expect any less from Janeway to make a connection with these people on some level since she's expecting most of them to die for her without question?
Actually Gavin McLeod would have been fantastic as an alien Captain love interest opponent in some adventure Berman forgot to tell us.
Can you imagine the cheese in the advertising?
You had as little as 30 people in your class, and there were 7 to 10 classes in each grade.
That makes 210 to 300 kids the same age, in the same classes, playing the same sports, going to the same dances and trying to find a meaningful connection and such forth, your peer group... You knew all their names and talked to most of them at least enough to know that you never wanted to talk to them again.
150 people on a ship the size of Voyager?
150 people on the surface of the planet in basics?
70 percent she hand picked for her ship, and the rest, the Maquis, she should be damn afraid that they'd gut her while she's sleeping, and read up on them extensively and made an effort to make sure that they liked her.
Captain Stubing invites all sorts of people from the crew and passengers to have dinner with him every night... Can we expect any less from Janeway to make a connection with these people on some level since she's expecting most of them to die for her without question?
Actually Gavin McLeod would have been fantastic as an alien Captain love interest opponent in some adventure Berman forgot to tell us.
Can you imagine the cheese in the advertising?
The episode was meant to paint Janeway in a good light supposedly. But it unintentionally made her out to be an ass.....someone who barely pays attention to her crew and doesn't know her way around her own ship. Kind of pathetic really.
Oh, please. I think the point to take from that scene is how completely Harren has buried himself on the bottom deck--in a deep dark corner.
Is Janeways job to mother/father this crew until they grow up to to be exceptional?
Push them to be the best?
She let three of them rot.
What if she loses three to the rot for every 6 years they're out there?
That's another 15 crew!
Push them to be the best?
She let three of them rot.
What if she loses three to the rot for every 6 years they're out there?
That's another 15 crew!
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Oh good. I really didn't know- since the only difference is they are rather pathetic. This is also one of the few eps. where Janeway is singled out and in danger. She is lucky she didn't die in the Delta Flyer.
It's hard to believe they needed a pep talk- the crew has always been displayed as being tough. The captain tried to counsel but they had even more to say in rebuke.
I don't believe a pep talk worked on any of them.
It's hard to believe they needed a pep talk- the crew has always been displayed as being tough. The captain tried to counsel but they had even more to say in rebuke.
I don't believe a pep talk worked on any of them.
Oh, please. I think the point to take from that scene is how completely Harren has buried himself on the bottom deck--in a deep dark corner.
And that Janeway had gone from knowing the ship inside out (the Utopia Planetia scene "Relativity") to not giving a crap and forgetting the layout of her ship despite spending 6 years on it in "Good Shepherd"
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Oh, please. I think the point to take from that scene is how completely Harren has buried himself on the bottom deck--in a deep dark corner.
Make up your mind universe!
Is he the boy that can fly, or the boy that is buried?
Is he the boy that can fly, or the boy that is buried?
OMG, there's a crossover fanfic in this!
