Godzilla, Kong, Gamera & Co.: The Kaiju Mega-Thread
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Oh, my God. That's like saying the only James Bond film you've ever seen is the 1967 Casino Royale spoof. Many Godzilla fans don't even consider that a Godzilla film, just a film about another giant monster that was mistaken for Godzilla (and there's actually a proper Godzilla film suggesting as much as an in-joke). It's really more like a remake of The Beast from 20,000 Fathoms than a Godzilla movie anyway.
Really enjoyed this episode, it was nice to find out who May is running from, and the answer gave us a nice tie in GvK there at the end.
At first I had assumed Verdugo was the bad guy and we'd end up with Shaw basically launching a coup inside Monarch and what we saw of them in KotM and GvK was a Shaw led Monarch, but now it's starting to look like it's the reverse and Shaw is actually the bad guy.
I'm curious what they're going to do with Apex as the series goes on, since they obviously can't take them down since they're still around for GvK.
At first I had assumed Verdugo was the bad guy and we'd end up with Shaw basically launching a coup inside Monarch and what we saw of them in KotM and GvK was a Shaw led Monarch, but now it's starting to look like it's the reverse and Shaw is actually the bad guy.
I'm curious what they're going to do with Apex as the series goes on, since they obviously can't take them down since they're still around for GvK.
I could've done without a tie-in to GvK, since it's by far the worst, dumbest movie in the MonsterVerse. It was badly undermined by studio meddling that slashed out most of what was worthwhile in the original version of the movie.
I didn't really think anyone was the bad guy, just that they had differences of opinion on how to do good, and that Shaw and the Randas would ultimately bring Verdugo around, leading to the public Monarch we had in KOTM. As it is, yeah, they are all trying to do what they think is right, but the difference of opinion on courses of action is more extreme than I expected.
Do they need to do anything more with it? They resolved May's issues with the company, and the tag scene was just a tease of GvK.
I only just noticed today that the modern Monarch control room is built in the same location as the 1950s one, that Vancouver power station or whatever it is with the big map of lights along the rear wall. I don't know where it is, but I've seen it in a lot of productions; it was the Earth-X Nazis' control room in the Arrowverse, and the climax of the series finale of the Kung Fu reboot happened there.
It’s also possible that they’re laying the groundwork for future seasons when they catch up with GvK and these characters are involved with those events. Sort of like how in Jurassic World Camp Cretaceous, we see that the kids were just off screen during several of the movie scenes.
Do we know that they plan to do that? I mean, this is set in 2015, so it's four years before KOTM and six years before GvK. How many streaming series these days last four years, let alone six? There'd have to be some significant time jumps to catch up.
We don't, but considering how much it's skipped around in time so far, I'd say it's a possibility.
Something I hadn't picked up on since I didn't remember the character's name, is that apparently Duvall is the sister of Ford Brody's mom from Godzilla 2014:
https://twitter.com/seaguns_art/status/1738438684293148979
A cool little detail that enhances the world building and works on its own without drawing attention to itself as a reference.
Only the flashbacks have skipped around in time. The present-day story arc has been continuous over the span of just a few days. So there's no precedent yet for the series present taking a major time jump.
Besides, you said "future seasons when they catch up." If it's just speculation, it's an "if," not a "when."
Oh. I caught that she lost her sister in the Janjira incident, but I didn't realize it was Sandra Brody. Hmm, that makes it a little too small-universe, I think.
I wonder if there's a reason they haven't revealed Tim's last name yet. Maybe he'll turn out to be connected to someone too.
I know you're a writer and so words are your business, but sometimes a person just quickly types a forum post on their phone while the power is out and the weather is too hot to even see straight. Not everything needs a deep analysis or an "Um, akchually..."
It's not analysis, I just didn't understand what you were saying. Since you said "when," it implied to me that you might have read an article somewhere asserting that the series definitely intended a time jump to catch up with the movies' present. So I asked you if there had been any such thing announced, because I didn't know one way or the other.
Interesting mess May/Corah has found herself in! I wondered if that neural interface was realted to GvK - nice to be right for once!
FYI, Brenda, Corah's boss, was played by Dominique Tipper, who played Naomi in The Expanse.
FYI, Brenda, Corah's boss, was played by Dominique Tipper, who played Naomi in The Expanse.
It took me most of the episode to recognize her, but I was pretty sure it was her by the end, and the credits confirmed it.
Refresh my memory because i only saw GvK once because i didn't like it.
That neural interface they were developing, was it the one used in GvK for Mechagodzilla? And was Apex the organisation that stole/aquired King Ghidorah's head ( at least one of them)?
I do like the show and the mystery around it and it's good they only use the monsters sparingly so they don't take away the focus from the main characters.
That neural interface they were developing, was it the one used in GvK for Mechagodzilla? And was Apex the organisation that stole/aquired King Ghidorah's head ( at least one of them)?
I do like the show and the mystery around it and it's good they only use the monsters sparingly so they don't take away the focus from the main characters.
Yes, Apex is the company that built Mechagodzilla in GvK.
Thank you! She seemed really familiar every time she was on screen, but I couldn't figure out who she was.
I was puzzled by something in this week's Monarch episode, and in mulling it over, I had an epiphany about what might happen in the remaining two episodes.
I was wondering how Cate, May, and Shaw could fall into the Hollow Earth in 2015 if it was still an unconfirmed theory in KOTM in 2018. Then I remembered the mystery of how Shaw is some 20-25 years younger than he should be. What if time moves differently in the Hollow Earth, and when the characters get out, they'll have jumped forward to after KOTM, so there's no discrepancy? The conjecture above about the show jumping forward to the present day may have been right after all.
More than that: If Shaw fell into the rift in 1959 and jumped forward in time 20 or more years, that would put him at least 6 years after Kong: Skull Island, which is just right if they wanted to tie into that movie's events, maybe even bring back Corey Hawkins as Houston Brooks, who would tie into the whole Bill Randa connection and the Hollow Earth stuff. If they do, I hope they also bring back Joe Morton as the present-day Brooks.
Of course, this also raises the possibility that Keiko Randa will turn out to be alive somehow in the Hollow Earth and the older Shaw will get to reconnect with her.
More than that: If Shaw fell into the rift in 1959 and jumped forward in time 20 or more years, that would put him at least 6 years after Kong: Skull Island, which is just right if they wanted to tie into that movie's events, maybe even bring back Corey Hawkins as Houston Brooks, who would tie into the whole Bill Randa connection and the Hollow Earth stuff. If they do, I hope they also bring back Joe Morton as the present-day Brooks.
Of course, this also raises the possibility that Keiko Randa will turn out to be alive somehow in the Hollow Earth and the older Shaw will get to reconnect with her.
Interesting theory.
I definitely didn't expect a visit to Hollow Earth which definitely seems like what was being set there at the end.
The reveal that Hiroshi was Bill Randa's step or adopted son, was a bit of a surprise, I don't remember any hints towards that earlier.
It's definitely starting to feel like we're heading into the series endgame.
I'm curious if whatever made Shaw age slower also effected Hiroshi, because we saw him already several years old in 1954 here, but the actor who plays him was born in 1974.
I definitely didn't expect a visit to Hollow Earth which definitely seems like what was being set there at the end.
The reveal that Hiroshi was Bill Randa's step or adopted son, was a bit of a surprise, I don't remember any hints towards that earlier.
It's definitely starting to feel like we're heading into the series endgame.
I'm curious if whatever made Shaw age slower also effected Hiroshi, because we saw him already several years old in 1954 here, but the actor who plays him was born in 1974.
It does explain why Hiroshi is played by a fully Japanese actor instead of a biracial one.
I'm reminded of the Godzilla: Awakening comic (which was supposedly canonical but has been contradicted by Monarch), which posited that Ichiro Serizawa was born in 1945, making him 69 during the 2014 movie while Ken Watanabe was only 55 at the time.