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Godzilla, Kong, Gamera & Co.: The Kaiju Mega-Thread

That was highly enjoyable. I am not familiar with the old Japanese Godzilla movies, my only experience has been the 90's US version and the new movies that started in 2016.
I was very pleasantly surprised by how the focus was on the human side of things, and really did have teary eyes at the end. The effects were amazing and this movie definitely earned that Oscar.
AFAIK the only way for me to watch the old Godzilla movie is either buying a shit ton of dvd's/blurays from outside the Netherlands or illegally find them which is something I simply refuse to do. But my interest in them has certainly been piqued.
 
That was highly enjoyable. I am not familiar with the old Japanese Godzilla movies, my only experience has been the 90's US version and the new movies that started in 2016.
I was very pleasantly surprised by how the focus was on the human side of things, and really did have teary eyes at the end. The effects were amazing and this movie definitely earned that Oscar.
AFAIK the only way for me to watch the old Godzilla movie is either buying a shit ton of dvd's/blurays from outside the Netherlands or illegally find them which is something I simply refuse to do. But my interest in them has certainly been piqued.

Have you tried the library? I don't know about the Netherlands, but my library here in Cincinnati has a lot of old movies in its collection, including many Godzilla/kaiju movies.

The film closest in spirit to Minus One is the 1954 original, which had the same level of rich character drama and powerful anti-war commentary. The films after that quickly became more conventional disaster/monster movies and grew considerably more childish over the '60s-'70s, although there are some that have environmentalist messages. The best one is probably Mothra vs. Godzilla -- which is really a Mothra sequel with Godzilla as the Special Guest Villain, so one should ideally see Mothra first. I'd also strongly recommend the 1965 non-Godzilla film Frankenstein Conquers the World (aka Frankenstein vs. Baragon), which is an excellent, rather dark film dealing with the aftermath of Hiroshima, and gives its title monster attributes that would later be given to Godzilla, like being mutated into a giant by radiation (rather than being naturally that size) and having exceptional regenerative powers.

The 1984 reboot, originally titled just Gojira but now known as The Return of Godzilla, returned to the serious political allegory of the original and is pretty good. It started a 7-film series with a loosely consistent continuity and some recurring characters, with highly variable quality but tending to stick with a more serious tone. My favorites are Godzilla & Mothra: The Battle for Earth, Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla 2, and the series finale Godzilla vs. Destoroyah (it's actually meant to be "Destroyer," but that's how it's romanized), which brings back the leading lady from the original film. (All the pre-2010 reboot continuities include the '54 film in their backstory while ignoring most or all of its earlier sequels.) Some people think the second film in the series, Godzilla vs. Biollante, is one of the best, but I'm not especially fond of it.

The Millennium series from 1999-2004 consists of six films in five different continuities. They were rushed into development after the 1998 American film bombed and plans for an American trilogy were abandoned (since Toho had planned to wait until the US trilogy was done), so they tried out three different teams and three different universes, with the intention of continuing the most popular one. Instead, the winning producers created a fourth universe for films 4-5, and when those films made mediocre profits, they cancelled the series and did one last anniversary film in yet another reality, albeit one that was a sequel to a few of the Showa-era films. These six were hit-or-miss, but the best is the third one, Godzilla, Mothra and King Ghidorah: Giant Monsters All-Out Attack (or GMK), which is one of the most scathing anti-war allegories in the series, and also the most spiritual film in the series. It's also got pretty good character work. I also really liked the second one, Godzilla vs. Megaguirus, thought it wasn't as strong on the allegory.

The 2016 Shin Godzilla, which should probably be easier for you to find than most of the older ones, is pretty solid, and definitely one of the more political movies, an allegory for the ineffectual bureaucratic response to the Fukushima nuclear disaster. Its commentary on Japan's standing in the world and its treatment by the superpowers has some resonance with Minus One and perhaps with Return of Godzilla.

I'm also quite fond of the anime series Godzilla: Singular Point on Netflix, which is a very intelligent and mindbending science fiction series, even though it kind of feels like the kaiju are tacked onto a story that really wants to be about other things.
 
Thanks for that news! It looks like Netflix has it available now, in Canada!
It's Top Ten in the US as of yesterday. One thing to note: at least the way we have NF configured in the G-house it defaulted to the US dubbed version as opposed to Japanese with English subtitles.
 
Have you tried the library? I don't know about the Netherlands, but my library here in Cincinnati has a lot of old movies in its collection, including many Godzilla/kaiju movies.

The film closest in spirit to Minus One is the 1954 original, which had the same level of rich character drama and powerful anti-war commentary. The films after that quickly became more conventional disaster/monster movies and grew considerably more childish over the '60s-'70s, although there are some that have environmentalist messages. The best one is probably Mothra vs. Godzilla -- which is really a Mothra sequel with Godzilla as the Special Guest Villain, so one should ideally see Mothra first. I'd also strongly recommend the 1965 non-Godzilla film Frankenstein Conquers the World (aka Frankenstein vs. Baragon), which is an excellent, rather dark film dealing with the aftermath of Hiroshima, and gives its title monster attributes that would later be given to Godzilla, like being mutated into a giant by radiation (rather than being naturally that size) and having exceptional regenerative powers.

The 1984 reboot, originally titled just Gojira but now known as The Return of Godzilla, returned to the serious political allegory of the original and is pretty good. It started a 7-film series with a loosely consistent continuity and some recurring characters, with highly variable quality but tending to stick with a more serious tone. My favorites are Godzilla & Mothra: The Battle for Earth, Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla 2, and the series finale Godzilla vs. Destoroyah (it's actually meant to be "Destroyer," but that's how it's romanized), which brings back the leading lady from the original film. (All the pre-2010 reboot continuities include the '54 film in their backstory while ignoring most or all of its earlier sequels.) Some people think the second film in the series, Godzilla vs. Biollante, is one of the best, but I'm not especially fond of it.

The Millennium series from 1999-2004 consists of six films in five different continuities. They were rushed into development after the 1998 American film bombed and plans for an American trilogy were abandoned (since Toho had planned to wait until the US trilogy was done), so they tried out three different teams and three different universes, with the intention of continuing the most popular one. Instead, the winning producers created a fourth universe for films 4-5, and when those films made mediocre profits, they cancelled the series and did one last anniversary film in yet another reality, albeit one that was a sequel to a few of the Showa-era films. These six were hit-or-miss, but the best is the third one, Godzilla, Mothra and King Ghidorah: Giant Monsters All-Out Attack (or GMK), which is one of the most scathing anti-war allegories in the series, and also the most spiritual film in the series. It's also got pretty good character work. I also really liked the second one, Godzilla vs. Megaguirus, thought it wasn't as strong on the allegory.

The 2016 Shin Godzilla, which should probably be easier for you to find than most of the older ones, is pretty solid, and definitely one of the more political movies, an allegory for the ineffectual bureaucratic response to the Fukushima nuclear disaster. Its commentary on Japan's standing in the world and its treatment by the superpowers has some resonance with Minus One and perhaps with Return of Godzilla.

I'm also quite fond of the anime series Godzilla: Singular Point on Netflix, which is a very intelligent and mindbending science fiction series, even though it kind of feels like the kaiju are tacked onto a story that really wants to be about other things.


I honestly couldn't tell you if they have movies in Dutch libraries, I know they used to have cd's. But I think it's going to be hard finding them, since I doubt they ever got dvd releases in the Netherlands. But I can check.

I found Shin Godzilla for sale on bluray, might try that. And I started Singular Point, but that was right after the first Legend Godzilla's so my brain didn't make it click. I'll give that another try.
 
I honestly couldn't tell you if they have movies in Dutch libraries, I know they used to have cd's. But I think it's going to be hard finding them, since I doubt they ever got dvd releases in the Netherlands. But I can check.

I found Shin Godzilla for sale on bluray, might try that. And I started Singular Point, but that was right after the first Legend Godzilla's so my brain didn't make it click. I'll give that another try.

Do you have an Amazon account. Prime Video has most of the Godzilla movies available to rent/stream.
If not, I would see if you can get a hold of the Criterion Godzilla collection which collects the entire original series of movies on DVD/Blu-ray
 
Do you have an Amazon account. Prime Video has most of the Godzilla movies available to rent/stream.
If not, I would see if you can get a hold of the Criterion Godzilla collection which collects the entire original series of movies on DVD/Blu-ray

As I mentioned, I'm from the Netherlands. What many people don't realize, is that the *INSERT STREAMING SERVICE HERE* library in their specific country may contain certain movies, either for free or to rent, doesn't automatically apply to all countries in the world. So no, Dutch Amazon only has the more current Godzilla movies. None of the old Japanse ones.
The same thing goes for the Criterion thing. This is a very nation specific item, not a global one.
 
I wondered if TokuSHOUTsu might be an option: https://shout-tv.com/film/tokushoutsu They have all the Showa-era Godzilla and Gamera films. However, their FAQ says they only have North American streaming rights to a lot of their content, so it may not help. Still, I thought I'd suggest it just on the off chance.
 
I wondered if TokuSHOUTsu might be an option: https://shout-tv.com/film/tokushoutsu They have all the Showa-era Godzilla and Gamera films. However, their FAQ says they only have North American streaming rights to a lot of their content, so it may not help. Still, I thought I'd suggest it just on the off chance.

I've tried a few titles, but they all say 'not available in my country'. :( Still, thanks for the tip!
 
Only very few Toho Godzilla titles are available for streaming or digital rental here in Germany, I doubt the situation is better for the Netherlands. Also, while public libraries do have DVDs, they usually don't have a wide selection, and Japanese monster movies aren't usually the content public libraries go for. Not to mention that most of the films are usually out-of-print and demand high prices on the secondary market.

As such, it is very difficult for Europeans to get into the franchise, as even getting a taste is a big financial commitment for something you don't know whether you'll even like it.
One thing you could try is get a VPN and try and get on those US streamers that way.
 
Also, while public libraries do have DVDs, they usually don't have a wide selection, and Japanese monster movies aren't usually the content public libraries go for.

I guess I'm spoiled -- Cincinnati's public library has one of the largest collections in the United States, if not the largest (at least right up there with New York). When I did my complete Godzilla/Toho kaiju watch-through for my blog, I got a number of the titles from the library (though in some cases they only had the English dubs/edits). In at least one case, the only copy they had was an old VHS tape that I had to request specially.
 
Dutch libraries do have films, but Kai is right that the odds of them carrying any non-Legendary Godzilla films are very low. My local library has three large walls of dvds/blu-rays just in the main branch I visit (no idea how many are in the other three branches) but searching the catalogue doesn't turn up a single Godzilla film (not even the Legendary ones).

And if you were going to find any Toho films at a Dutch library, it would almost certainly just be the 54 original (they do have some older classics) and maybe Shin Gojira (a recent international film with strong reviews). Plus, the libraries here are membership based, so it would probably be cheaper to just buy those movies on Amazon.

As far as that goes, Shin and Gojira 1954 are pretty easy to find on disc, in addition to the Legendary films. But trying to find the others is a bit of a nightmare and you have to be extremely careful. I've been burned by a German copy of Final Wars which turned out to only have Japanese and German subtitles. There's a Sony collection selling a bunch of different Godzilla films as two movie sets that pops up on a lot of sites, but according to the reviews that collection flat out will not play in Europe. You have to be very careful to ensure you're even getting a movie you can actually enjoy at all.
 
I'm with @Christopher in that I've been spoiled by the King and Snohomish County Library System.
They have a good selection of foreign movie titles at their main branches and go out of their way to find copies for their patrons when you suggest a title to add to their collection.
As a point of pride I would like to mention that KCLS was awarded second place in the US and third in the world for the most books checked out in 2023 at 9 million with a population of 2.3 million. That's approximately 3 books per person.
 
Pluto TV offers a lot of Godzilla films for free with ads (not sure what countries get what movies, though).
 
If you guys could only watch one...which would be better...the BW version or the color version?

I haven't seen the B&W version, however, IMO, these films that are being released in B&W versions, all the filmmaker has done is turned the contrast down/off.
You could achieve the same effect on a color movie by turning off the contrast on your TV.
A B&W movie is lit and shot specifically for B&W film, with a whole different gradient.
 
I haven't seen the B&W version, however, IMO, these films that are being released in B&W versions, all the filmmaker has done is turned the contrast down/off.
You could achieve the same effect on a color movie by turning off the contrast on your TV.
A B&W movie is lit and shot specifically for B&W film, with a whole different gradient.

The director says otherwise: https://bloody-disgusting.com/movie...sion-in-japanese-theaters-next-month-trailer/

Yamazaki said in a new statement tonight, “We are now able to announce Godzilla-1.0/C, which we have been working on for a long time. Rather than just making it monochrome, it is a cut by cut. I had them make adjustments while making full use of various mattes, as if they were creating a new movie. What I was aiming for was a style that looked like it was taken by masters of monochrome photography. We were able to unearth the texture of the skin and the details of the scenery that were hidden in the photographed data. Then, a frightening Godzilla, just like the one in the documentary, appeared. By eliminating color, a new sense of reality emerges. Please live and resist further fear at the theater.”
 
Finally seen Godzilla Minus One and what a film! Every Hollywood exec should be made to watch it on a loop until the understand! Broke my heart in places and I may have had something in my eye at the end.

The ejector seat was obvious but I don't care in the slightest, I'd have been annoyed if they hadn't given him an out. In the end this is a film about the future, about living, not dying pointlessly or nobly. I also don't care that Noriko improbably survived. I needed that ending!

One question. How the hell did he make this for less than $15 million?
 
The ending is not as happy as it appears to most viewers.
... that black bruise on Noriko's neck, suggesting she was poisoned by the radiation of Godzilla's heat ray. It's also set up when the scientists detect high radioactivity at the Ginza sight of Godzilla's attack.

In Japan, many survivors of Hiroshima and Nagasaki suffered from radiation poisoning, so the Japanese audience would be more familiar with those signs than the average western viewer. I myself had to read up on it to fully understand the ending.
 
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