God

[Queen Mab]

I havent seen much of 'Doctor Who (1963)'. I have seen 'Doctor Who (1996)' and all of 'Doctor Who (2005)'.

In the Universe of Doctor Who is there an Ultimate God?

There are various creatures that people do or could be seen as gods. 'The Beast', 'The Pyrovilles'

Is there any evidence for an all powerful god existing that is similar to the ones that dont exist in real life?

 

[RoJoHen]

Other than the Doctor himself?

 

[Guy Gardener]

No joke, he was pretty instrumental in the creation of the universe.

There's the White and Black Guardians of Time.

They're pretty godlike.

Albeit just aliens with impressive technology and psychokenetic abilities, the Hosirans are the basis for the Egyptian Gods of old, as they pulled the universe apart squabbling between themselves when the Timelords were still swinging from trees.

 

[Skellington]

There are certainly godlike beings such as Sutekh (aka Set) and if course the Lord Of Time himself, but I don't think there's a reference to an ultimate creator god. In Fifth Doctor episode Terminus there's a reference to the current iteration of the universe having been created by an exploding starship; so no "Let there be light!" as such. The show usually follows the sci-fi trope of providing (pseudo-)scientific explanations for things that might otherwise be explained in mystical terms. As for Yahweh, Jesus and other major biblical entities; they're probably still on the Doctor's "to do" list. Also, he does seem to be at least nominally a believer - which would make perfect sense given his outlook.

I still think Muhammed should be a companion, though.

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

^ The Muslims would love that. Even if you put him in a bear suit or something.

 

[Admiral_Young]

Wasn't there a Tenth Doctor episode where he stated to a character (I can't remember who now) there was no god?

 

[The Castellan]

More like in Torchwood, since in the pilot, the ressurected people screamed "OH GOD, THERE'S NOTHING!"

Though I myself never believed in that, and believe that science and spirituality can coexist, together, though some people will say otherwise.

And I think there was a classic Who story where there was a Timelord saying, "Death is but a doorway" or something like that.

 

[The Badger]

Wasn't there a Tenth Doctor episode where he stated to a character (I can't remember who now) there was no god?

There was a line in 'The Satan Pit':
" Well, I've seen a lot of this universe. I've seen fake gods and bad gods and demi-gods and would-be gods. I've had the whole pantheon."

Certainly there have been god like entities in Who. Usually evil. But I recall nothing to indicate an all powerful deity.

During the very first season there was a script suggestion for a story in which the crew of a space ship find themselves looking on the face of God. Not just a god, but God Himself. Perhaps wisely, this idea was not developed.

 

[sonak]

It's funny that there's a pretty explicitly Satanic entity but no God in the Whoverse. A bit like having angels with no God I suppose.


Although the "Buffyverse" has Satanic creatures and demons, but only the weak and ineffectual "powers that be" instead of a God.

 

[RoJoHen]

Although the "Buffyverse" has Satanic creatures and demons, but only the weak and ineffectual "powers that be" instead of a God.

In fact, in "Conversations with Dead People," the vampire asks Buffy if there was any information on God. Her reply: "Nothing solid."

 

[sonak]

Although the "Buffyverse" has Satanic creatures and demons, but only the weak and ineffectual "powers that be" instead of a God.

In fact, in "Conversations with Dead People," the vampire asks Buffy if there was any information on God. Her reply: "Nothing solid."

yeah, but then she went to a "Heaven dimension." Hard to have a heaven without.... oh well, whatever.

 

[Sci]

 

[RoJoHen]

Although the "Buffyverse" has Satanic creatures and demons, but only the weak and ineffectual "powers that be" instead of a God.

In fact, in "Conversations with Dead People," the vampire asks Buffy if there was any information on God. Her reply: "Nothing solid."

yeah, but then she went to a "Heaven dimension." Hard to have a heaven without.... oh well, whatever.

Eh, not really. There are tons of Hell dimensions without there needing to be Satan. You can easily have just as many Heaven dimensions.

 

[Rarewolf]

As for Yahweh, Jesus and other major biblical entities; they're probably still on the Doctor's "to do" list.

He says in Voyage Of The Damned he was there at the nativity, he got the last room in the inn

 

[sonak]

In fact, in "Conversations with Dead People," the vampire asks Buffy if there was any information on God. Her reply: "Nothing solid."

yeah, but then she went to a "Heaven dimension." Hard to have a heaven without.... oh well, whatever.

Eh, not really. There are tons of Hell dimensions without there needing to be Satan. You can easily have just as many Heaven dimensions.

if you say so. I don't think that you "easily" can and have it make logical sense, since they're both religious concepts, but we're talking both fantasy shows here.

 

[RoJoHen]

Seems pretty easy to me. Just because Buffy said "I think I was in Heaven" doesn't mean she was in the Christian Heaven or that she was in a place run by the "one true God." For all we know she was in Slayer Heaven, where all Slayers go when they die. There could be lots of different Heaven dimensions.

 

[Saul]

If there's any God I think the Doctor is portrayed by other Characters as being a God like being.

 

[Skellington]

Seems pretty easy to me. Just because Buffy said "I think I was in Heaven" doesn't mean she was in the Christian Heaven or that she was in a place run by the "one true God." For all we know she was in Slayer Heaven, where all Slayers go when they die. There could be lots of different Heaven dimensions.

True. In the episode where she reveals it to Spike, she says that she doesn't know a lot about the subject but that she recalls (or seems to recall) a sense of peace. In fact the seasonal storyline appears to treat it as some kind of drug/addiction analogue with withdrawal symptoms, rather than a state of spiritual grace.

 

[Whofan]

Ghost Light and Curse of Fenric from the McCoy era-back-to-back and both stories which deal somewhat with companion Ace's backstory-feature priests as supporting characters.


One of the themes of Ghost Light is evolution, and the priest in the serial is a stubborn creationist.


Fenric features another more passive priest character who is losing his faith due to the horrors of World War II (and the zombie vampires from the story don't help either). He was notably played by British radio personality Nicholas Parsons.

 

[Sci]

yeah, but then she went to a "Heaven dimension." Hard to have a heaven without.... oh well, whatever.

Eh, not really. There are tons of Hell dimensions without there needing to be Satan. You can easily have just as many Heaven dimensions.

if you say so. I don't think that you "easily" can and have it make logical sense, since they're both religious concepts, but we're talking both fantasy shows here.

One of the things creator/writer Joss Whedon has said in various interviews and episode commentaries about the so-called "hell dimensions" and "heavenly dimensions" is that when his characters refer to them as such, they are imposing their cultural and religious ideas onto their experiences -- that those are those characters' religious beliefs, not necessarily an objective description of those dimensions. He's noted that to a demon -- and, mind you, in the Buffyverse, "demon" is a generic catch-all to describe lifeforms descended wholly or partially from the entities native to other dimensions which used to rule Earth before the rise of humanity -- that to a demon native to a so-called "Hell dimension," Earth might be considered a form of Hell in its own right (especially given the presence of numerous Human factions that constantly seek nothing more than to kill and all demons they come across).

It's also interesting to note that there's a certain level of valid cultural conflict between demons and humans -- Earth used to be their home, after all, before humans pushed them out.