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Go to the devil

Shatner did say "let's get the hell out of here" in The City on the Edge of Forever. Wikipedia says this was one of the first times it was said on television. But they didn't dare say it on the Monkees episode about a deal with the devil.

I suspect Wikipedia may be overstating that a bit. As noted, it was previously used on The Twilight Zone, Disney's Wonderful World of Color, Boris Karloff's Thriller, etc. And those are just some high-profile genre examples that immediately come to mind. I wouldn't be surprised if it had also popped up on some less-famous old shows from fifty years ago that none of us remember. For all we know it was also used on Naked City or Route 66 or something.
 
I'm just surprised that such a mild expression was frowned on. I grew up in the 60's and 70's in a household where bad language was not heard, but 'hell' didn't even qualify as cursing.

The strongest word in use was 'bloody' and that was deemed pretty inoffensive...
 
FYI: By coincidence, the Thriller episode, "Pigeons from Hell," is being rerun on MeTV in the wee hours of the morning this weekend. And that's from 1961, a good five years before STAR TREK used the word "hell."
 
"Go to the Devil" wasn't a common expression, but viewers would have heard it. Maybe a little stilted or old-fashioned...

Let me clarify a bit on religion in the 60s. Most people identified as "Christian", but not with the narrow meaning used today. Liberals were generally Christian. We're talking about mainstream, unmilitant, unfundamentalist Christianity. you didn't have to be devout or evangelical or fundamentalist to consider "hell" and "damn" curse words. You didn't even have to be religious. They were just two of many curse words out there.

People used the words in real life, but since they were curse words, using them carried some weight. Trek could use "hell" just that one time at the end of COTEOF, and it was effective, because you didn't hear it all the time on TV.
 
The reason they could use "hell" sometimes and not others was a matter of how it was being used. You could use it in reference to the mythical place -- e.g. "I'll chase you to the very fires of Hell!" in "The Alternative Factor," "Better to rule in Hell than serve in Heaven" in "Space Seed," or "devil... right out of Hell" in "The Doomsday Machine" -- or in an expression like "hell-for-leather, right out of history" in "Spectre of the Gun" or "the private hells" in "Requiem for Methuselah." But you couldn't generally use it as an expletive, like "go to hell" or "what the hell" or "the hell with you." That's why they had to fight the censors to get away with "Let's get the hell out of here" that one time.

By the same token, TOS was able to say "the evidence is damning" in "Court Martial" and "I can't damn him for his loyalty" in "Journey to Babel," but they never had a "damn it" or "not a damn thing" or "damn you." You could use it as a verb, but not as a curse word. Context mattered.

So in TOS, characters only ever said things like "blast it" or "what in Heaven's name," and then the movies came along and there were people saying "what the hell" and "damn it" all over the place. (The cliche of McCoy saying "Damn it, Jim, I'm a doctor, not a..." never actually happened until Star Trek Beyond. His only "Damn it, Jim" in the Prime universe was in TWOK, before "What the hell's the matter with you?" And the first two Kelvin movies had "Damn it, man, I'm a doctor, not a...", but not directed at Jim.)

You can see the same with other profanities -- sometimes the same word has a "clean" usage that's allowed on TV and a "dirty" usage that isn't. Like you could have a character named Dick or talk about a "private dick" (detective), but any sexual use of the term would be forbidden.
 
The reason they could use "hell" sometimes and not others was a matter of how it was being used. You could use it in reference to the mythical place -- e.g. "I'll chase you to the very fires of Hell!" in "The Alternative Factor," "Better to rule in Hell than serve in Heaven" in "Space Seed," or "devil... right out of Hell" in "The Doomsday Machine" -- or in an expression like "hell-for-leather, right out of history" in "Spectre of the Gun" or "the private hells" in "Requiem for Methuselah." But you couldn't generally use it as an expletive, like "go to hell" or "what the hell" or "the hell with you." That's why they had to fight the censors to get away with "Let's get the hell out of here" that one time.

Hah! I'd forgotten how many times they'd used "hell" on Trek in that context.
 
By that time Kirk had lost a woman he dearly loved and could care less what the sponsors said! :nyah:
JB
 
I'm just surprised that such a mild expression was frowned on. I grew up in the 60's and 70's in a household where bad language was not heard, but 'hell' didn't even qualify as cursing.

The strongest word in use was 'bloody' and that was deemed pretty inoffensive...

There may be some differences in UK and US usage.

Kor
 
I grew up thinking that "hell" was a comparatively mild curse (though still a curse) while the four-syllable word describing someone as having incestuous relations with their mother was probably the most awful curse word imaginable. But once I was riding a bus and there were a couple of people having a conversation that used the latter word in virtually every sentence, used so frequently that it was elided to "m'fug," but without any real emotion or intensity to its use -- indeed, they were effectively using it as a pronoun, just a completely casual and ordinary word. And yet, when one of the two conversants felt the need to express strong emotion about something, he said, "What the hell?!" I was struck by the total inversion from what I would've expected.
 
Let me clarify a bit on religion in the 60s. Most people identified as "Christian", but not with the narrow meaning used today. Liberals were generally Christian. We're talking about mainstream, unmilitant, unfundamentalist Christianity.
Damn straight! A good many of the people who so aggressively self-identify as "Christian" these days haven't a clue what Christianity is really all about, and are no better than the "Christians" responsible for such abominations as the Spanish Inquisition.
(And one of these days, I'll get around to finishing an essay I've got in draft, A Brief Manifesto for Mainstream Evangelism.)
 
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