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Global Warming not only happens, it is unable to be completely reversed

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TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME

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NEELIX: It's getting awfully hot in here.
JANEWAY: When environmental controls fail, heat from the warp plasma conduits can't be vented. Expect a heat wave before long.
NEELIX: No problem, I'm used to it. I grew up near the Rinax marshlands. Our summers were the hottest in the sector. Fifty degrees Celsius, ninety percent humidity, and the most vicious lavaflies you've ever seen.
JANEWAY: Summers in Indiana were pretty similar when I was growing up.
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50 degrees Celsius is 122 Fahrenheit.

The average maximum temperature in Indiana is 85.1F for July and 83.2F for August, or in the scale that Janeway uses 29.5C in July and 28.4C in August. The hottest it has ever been in Indiana was 116F/46.6C in July in 1936 and 111F/43.8 in August of the same year.

And yet for Janeway 50 degrees Celsius, a temperature I have never experienced myself though I live in extreme heat is "pretty similar" to Indiana.

Clearly the earth ended up quite scorched and even though they managed to stop it they could not reverse it back to the levels Indiana would be in today. I'd imagine my own country will be quite uninhabitable if the rise in temperature was similar across the globe.
 
Janeway's just doing the four Yorkshiremen.

If he'd said that it was normal during the summer on Talax for small, furry, malingering creatures to crawl out of everyone's arses, she would have said... "yup, we had something similar... but the creatures were bigger and made of glass."
 
She's not a vulcan so I maybe it was in jest. We know she preferred creepy holoprograms and so but she could be funny too.
 
Why do you resist the idea of Janeway making a joke? The Star Trek earth is not fucked up, it's always described as a paradise.
 
It's a paradise because everyone died in wars and then if they didn't fit in left. It's a paradise because the government controls their big sterile park and diddles the weather and only allows jazz to be played in public places.

If global warming continues unabated until we have major energy breakthroughs or until WWIII wipes out most people so we stop polluting how long does it take to go back? Sure you could theoretically clean all the stifling stuff out of the air but the seas are already warmer. They aren't going to cool down quickly. Everything is effected. At some point mankind has just adapted to it and trying to crank it back to a temperature that existed before most people currently alive existed is a waste of resources.

I like that Janeway has revealed a little something about changes in her time.
 
teacake said:
It's a paradise because everyone died in wars and then if they didn't fit in left. It's a paradise because the government controls their big sterile park and diddles the weather and only allows jazz to be played in public places.
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I have recently stumbled upon the question: Who peels the potatoes in Sisko sen.'s restaurant? Ok, Sisko sen. worked out of passion and to better himself etc. but who's passion was it to peel the tons of potatoes every day?

Well, wrong forum I guess.

If global warming continues unabated until we have major energy breakthroughs or until WWIII wipes out most people so we stop polluting how long does it take to go back? Sure you could theoretically clean all the stifling stuff out of the air but the seas are already warmer. They aren't going to cool down quickly. Everything is effected. At some point mankind has just adapted to it and trying to crank it back to a temperature that existed before most people currently alive existed is a waste of resources.
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Don't worry, they have solved all problems with their superadvanced technology!
 
The ultimate boss Federation president flicks a switch to make the planet warm then flicks it again to make it cool. This is also how rain works. And love.

Janeway is remembering one of the flick on days.
 
Or maybe the writers didn't really know the Celsius/Farenheit conversion formula.

I forgot about the heat index
 
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Yeah I know she is just making chit chat with Neelix but no, it does not work. No one operating in Celsius would conversationally agree that their earth summers were similar to someone having summers of 50 Celsius, unless maybe you lived in certain regions of India. And you certainly would not agree to that if you lived in Indiana. So the in-universe explanation for the (canon) line uttered by Janeway points to a markedly different temperature on earth. Whether this was global warming or WWIII or the Xindi weapon heating up Fla and everything above it in a way that is unclear who knows. But it's hotter. A lot hotter.
 
Janeway also said that she hadn't broken the Prime Directive.

I'm not sure we can trust the mad cow.
 
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Hottest temp record here in Washington State was 48 °C / 118 °F, and that was back in 1961.

Picard did say (in one of the Q episodes) that Earth had weather control. Placing a relatively low level shield between the Sun and the Earth, that would block just a few percentage points of energy, would likely completely solve the problem.

If one even existed.

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I'm surprised that no one's put this in context of the episode. Janeway was made to look the fool and extremely socially gauche in the opening scene with a First Contact species. At that moment, who knows what calamities her pwnage will prove to cause in the future of Federation-Tak Tak relations!! Naturally, she's not going to let Neelix get over on her with some other superlative he can casually inject into their conversation. So what's an exaggeration of 20 degrees or so compared to keeping some semblance of self-respect? Though, I guess even she didn't feel she could offer much of a rejoinder to those rather sizable lavaflies that Neelix also threw in the mix!;)
 
teacake said:
The average maximum temperature in Indiana is 85.1F for July and 83.2F for August, or in the scale that Janeway uses 29.5C in July and 28.4C in August. The hottest it has ever been in Indiana was 116F/46.6C in July in 1936 and 111F/43.8 in August of the same year.
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There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics. As someone who lives in Indiana, the summer feels like 122F on odd days of the month and Thursdays.
 
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