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obviously dumbed down for this 'MTV generation' who can't think

Uh, why do we keep referring to today's youth (and I assume you're talking about teenagers) as the "MTV generation" when MTV debuted in Nineteen Eighty Fr*cking One? I was only 11 when MTV first went on the air, and it had a far greater influence on my peers than it does on the current generation of youngsters. Members of the real "MTV generation" are in their 30s and 40s right now, if not older.

Sorry, just had to make that point. Proceed with the discussion.
 
obviously dumbed down for this 'MTV generation' who can't think

Uh, why do we keep referring to today's youth (and I assume you're talking about teenagers) as the "MTV generation" when MTV debuted in Nineteen Eighty Fr*cking One? I was only 11 when MTV first went on the air, and it had a far greater influence on my peers than it does on the current generation of youngsters. Members of the real "MTV generation" are in their 30s and 40s right now, if not older.

Sorry, just had to make that point. Proceed with the discussion.

Very good point.:cool:
 
obviously dumbed down for this 'MTV generation' who can't think

Uh, why do we keep referring to today's youth (and I assume you're talking about teenagers) as the "MTV generation" when MTV debuted in Nineteen Eighty Fr*cking One? I was only 11 when MTV first went on the air, and it had a far greater influence on my peers than it does on the current generation of youngsters. Members of the real "MTV generation" are in their 30s and 40s right now, if not older.

Sorry, just had to make that point. Proceed with the discussion.
It only demonstrates that complaints against the "MTV Generation" (or the "Star Wars Generation", if you will) have long passed well into the realm of kneejerk reactions and need not be taken very seriously. As for the supposedly hidebound over-40 Trek fans, we've had plenty of evidence that they're really not such a monolithic and irredeemably stodgy bunch as all that; in fact, quite a lot of us are looking forward to seeing how the movie turns out.

Sweeping generalizations rarely match the real world very well, or even the world of Star Trek fandom.
 
It's these damn young'uns and their damn Swing, all that bumping and grinding, and don't even get me started on THAT Glenn Miller!

This all would have never happened if they never made the movies into talkies!
 
You know what ? It was Star Wars that had the right idea yet again...

The younglings should be killed. :p:p
 
obviously dumbed down for this 'MTV generation' who can't think

Uh, why do we keep referring to today's youth (and I assume you're talking about teenagers) as the "MTV generation" when MTV debuted in Nineteen Eighty Fr*cking One? I was only 11 when MTV first went on the air, and it had a far greater influence on my peers than it does on the current generation of youngsters. Members of the real "MTV generation" are in their 30s and 40s right now, if not older.

Sorry, just had to make that point. Proceed with the discussion.
It only demonstrates that complaints against the "MTV Generation" (or the "Star Wars Generation", if you will) have long passed well into the realm of kneejerk reactions and need not be taken very seriously. As for the supposedly hidebound over-40 Trek fans, we've had plenty of evidence that they're really not such a monolithic and irredeemably stodgy bunch as all that; in fact, quite a lot of us are looking forward to seeing how the movie turns out.

Sweeping generalizations rarely match the real world very well, or even the world of Star Trek fandom.

I'm under-21, so what the fuck am I supposed to feel about this movie? :guffaw:

Personally, I hate the art direction, but I would like to see a decent story out of this (though I'm not hopeful, considering I'm lukewarm about Bayformers and I've never liked any of JJ's work, personally.)
 
I'm under-21, so what the fuck am I supposed to feel about this movie? :guffaw:
Whatever you like, basically. Your call. :techman:

Personally, I hate the art direction, but I would like to see a decent story out of this (though I'm not hopeful, considering I'm lukewarm about Bayformers and I've never liked any of JJ's work, personally.)
I've never spent a lot of time watching any of J.J.'s other work, either. I don't follow Lost, Alias didn't grab me on the occasions I took a look and I haven't seen Cloverfield or Transformers (Bayformers, heh) or M:I:III. I do get a sense, however, that they want to do this right. It'll be different in a number of ways from the Star Trek we've seen before, certainly, but I'm interested enough by what I've seen and heard so far that I want to see how they did with it.
 
I've never spent a lot of time watching any of J.J.'s other work, either. I don't follow Lost, Alias didn't grab me on the occasions I took a look and I haven't seen Cloverfield or Transformers (Bayformers, heh) or M:I:III. I do get a sense, however, that they want to do this right. It'll be different in a number of ways from the Star Trek we've seen before, certainly, but I'm interested enough by what I've seen and heard so far that I want to see how they did with it.

I never spent much time watching any of Gene Roddenberry's other work. ;)
 
Then again, every over 40 year old dedicated trek fan I've met has achieved less in their life than the 18 year old MTV generation people I met...

That's not a very nice thing to say...:(

It's also not true.

Ok, as i said "from the ones I met" so without knowing the ones I met, please take a step back and consider the fact I'm not pulling this out of my ass.

First major over 40 year old trek fan i met - hadn't worked in 20 years. Smelt really bad, and his entire life revolved around computers. he only left his home ever, to buy food and...come annoy the hell out of me and my workmates back when I worked in a computer store. Never been married, no kids.

That was his entire life, trek, food and annoying us whilst we were trying to work. My boss just was too polite to tell him to bugger off even though he would complain the msot about the guy.

Second example of the over 40. I do part time work when not doing my own sub-contracting with the local council. here we meet the guy at the front desk...his life: BSG new and old, Trek and a really bad falling apart house hand-me-down from parents. Again, never been married, no kids.

Would talk all day sci-fi, even I can't do that on risk of losing my mind. Everyone that knows him still can only speculate on his sexual orientation, is he gay? Straight, virgin? none of know, never seen a boy or girlfriend.

Third example, a guy I met in melbourne, again over 40 and never ONCE moved out of his parents. He is a trek encyclopedia barely can hold down a job for 2 months of a year. And my god embrassed the hell out of me by trying to argue soem random fact about trek on the train when I really didn't give an honest fuck...I was so glad the bunch of 13 year olds interjected and told him off to save my breath.

Now as for the 18 year olds, well lets think, I don;t really have to.

In the region where I live work is god damned easy to get, its also easy if you apply yourself to start earning big bucks when you're 16.

There's quite a few 18 year olds around here that have done exactly as I did (i'm mid 20's now), make work become primary at 16, and schooling became part time. By 18, they own their brand new cars cash without mummy or daddy's help, they are paying off their first hosue in their name and got a solid relationship on the go.

I dunno about them, but they well on the track that I myself took, and many of my own high school buddies. By the tiem i was 22, I was my own boss for collecting contracts and hiring my own teams to compelte thsoe contracts. Be it construction or metal fabrication, we're qualified, we can ahndle it. From small contracts to quite expensive contracts.

Believe it or not, but there are always exceptions to a rule. This area proves, if you have the drive and will, you can achieve greatly within just a few years. Fortunately many of the young understand this, not so much with the old around here.

So really...don't assume without considering the fact that maybe just maybe when someone says something, it is from their personal experience.

I never did say all 40+ trek fans are like that.

I also didn't say all 18+ mtv are like that.
 
I've never spent a lot of time watching any of J.J.'s other work, either. I don't follow Lost, Alias didn't grab me on the occasions I took a look and I haven't seen Cloverfield or Transformers (Bayformers, heh) or M:I:III. I do get a sense, however, that they want to do this right. It'll be different in a number of ways from the Star Trek we've seen before, certainly, but I'm interested enough by what I've seen and heard so far that I want to see how they did with it.

I never spent much time watching any of Gene Roddenberry's other work. ;)
Come to think of it, aside from The Questor Tapes and a handful of Andromeda episodes, neither did I.
 
I'm over 40 and I've been flown around the world many times over and do what I absolutely love for a living.

I also bathe regularly.

I personally take umbrage about the comment about over 40 Trek fans.
 
Can't we get over this thing ?

There are idiots, assholes, losers, winners, intelligent and kind people in all age groups and in all groups of people sharing common interests or ideas. Simple.

Bullshit like "the unwashed mashes" "the MTV generation" "the oldfags" or whatever, are moronic generalizations whose only purpose is to make one feel better and superior when most likely one is neither.
 
obviously dumbed down for this 'MTV generation' who can't think

Uh, why do we keep referring to today's youth (and I assume you're talking about teenagers) as the "MTV generation" when MTV debuted in Nineteen Eighty Fr*cking One? I was only 11 when MTV first went on the air, and it had a far greater influence on my peers than it does on the current generation of youngsters. Members of the real "MTV generation" are in their 30s and 40s right now, if not older.

Sorry, just had to make that point. Proceed with the discussion.

Agreed. MTV is barely a blip on the radar of today's teens and 20-somethings. It was a much more integral part of young people's lives back in the 80's when I was in that age group.

Further, I think the OP has made some generalizations here that just aren't true. No point in rehashing them as several others have done so. But the bottom line is that I call bullshit on a) his assumption that all Star Trek fans over 40 are so obsessed with canon that they hate this film already and b) his assertion that we are a bunch of basement dwellers who haven't done as much with our lives as the average 20 year old.

That last part in particular makes me laugh and only proves out in my mind just how inexperienced he really is.

Kind of reminds me of when I was a teen, and I didn't think my parents knew anything or had a clue about modern life.

Experiencing life myself has made me revise that early opinion. :lol:
 
The. Ship. Is. Built. On. The. Ground. Only for the kewl visual of Kirk riding up to it on is kewl motorcycle.

That pretty much sums up the entire problem with this movie.

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Built on the Ground-win'd!
 
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