"Getting it done" vs. "Making it so"?

[Enterprise1981]

Which style of command would you prefer? The authoritarian style of Jellico or the authoritative style of Picard and seemingly all the other regular captains? Both styles are appropriate depending on the situation. In the words of Admiral Pressman, "In a crisis situation, there's no time for explanation. Orders have to be obeyed without question, or lives may be lost." The other side is "building an atmosphere of trust" (not doing this being Riker's biggest criticism of Jellico). We saw this with Picard keeping his crew in the dark while in the past in "All Good Things... " And (stepping outside of canon) that was where Picard went wrong with his new senior officers in "Before Dishonor", leading to mutiny.

 

[doublegood]

Riker and all the other crybabies should have been court-martialed following Jellico's tour of duty as captain. Whether or not you agree with a command style is irrelevant. Insubordination is insubordination. Drum the bastards out of the service.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

^ This.

They were in a battle for their lives. Jellico is the captain, and his word is absolute law. He was exactly the kind of captain they needed. He was entirely correct in pointing out that he didn't have fucking TIME to let the crew get to know him. He had a job to do, and he did it. The Ent-D crew were acting like a bunch of spoiled pricks. So Jellico was making them work, boo hoo fucking ho. He's the captain, he has the RIGHT to do that!

Not to say that Picard isn't also a good captain. Obviously he is. But at that specific time, Picard WASN'T the captain. Jellico was. End of story.

 

[A beaker full of death]

For some reason this topic made me envision Larry the cable guy on the bridge of the Enterprise D.

 

[JarodRussell]

I find Riker's behavior both in "Chain of Command" and "Best of Both Worlds" inappropriate. In these episodes he's acting like a spoiled brat, not like a professional.

 

[doublegood]

Let's face it. Riker was a bit of a loser. Worf should have slew him in honorable combat, IMHO.

 

[SeerSGB]

Jellico any day of the week. It might come off as a jerk, but he's a jerk that's going to pull the trigger when needs to and he's not afraid to take a risk (mining the Cardie ships in the nebula).

Then again, I love the almost casual way he says he wants Captain Picard back at the end of the episode.

 

[Bruno]

So Jellico was making them work, boo hoo fucking ho. He's the captain, he has the RIGHT to do that!

Agreed, and beyond that he had a DUTY to do it.

 

[SeerSGB]

Jellico was one of the big players in the original treaty between the Cardassians and the Federation, if he says you need to be loaded and ready to kick some ass cause the shit might hit the fan, you listen to the guy.

And the whining from going from 3 to 4 duty shifts as day, whoopie. What happens if these guys get sent to another ship? They going to bitch and whine that their new Capt. isn't Picard?

 

[TrekNut87]

Riker and all the other crybabies should have been court-martialed following Jellico's tour of duty as captain. Whether or not you agree with a command style is irrelevant. Insubordination is insubordination. Drum the bastards out of the service.

My thoughts exactly. If they they had such a huge problem with the way Jellico ran things, then they're unworthy of calling themselves Starfleet officers.

 

[SheerQuality]

i think each style has its place. picards command style always seemed to open the door for more unique solutions to a problem...he allowed his crew to use their experience/imaginations to come up with creative solutions.

 

[Nerys Ghemor]

Jellico any day of the week. It might come off as a jerk, but he's a jerk that's going to pull the trigger when needs to and he's not afraid to take a risk (mining the Cardie ships in the nebula).

You know, when you describe him in those terms, he almost reminds me of Sisko. (Though Sisko isn't as jerkish.)

 

[Sector 7]

So Jellico was making them work, boo hoo fucking ho. He's the captain, he has the RIGHT to do that!

Agreed, and beyond that he had a DUTY to do it.

I started reading this post... hit Multi-Quote... read another... hit Multi-Qoute... finally had to go back and un-click most of them.
It seems we all agree that Jellico was in the right. I will always like him for telling Troi to wear a proper uniform.

 

[Nerys Ghemor]

Ohhh yeah, that was my favorite thing Jellico did--making Troi dress as a PROFESSIONAL.

I can only imagine what he would've had to say about Seven of Nine...I would seriously buy tickets to see THAT.

 

[Myasishchev]

Well, he probably couldn't do anything about Seven. She was a civilian contractor.

Anyway, I do prefer Picard's consensus-reaching. Jellico wasn't a bad guy, though, and Riker does act like he's on goofballs.

 

[Kibbin]

Well this is the guy who turned down, how many promotions. Instead of it helping their careers it seems that being in the big E hurt most of them as they never seem to move onward nor upward for pretty much the rest of their lives. It's only at the end of Nemesis that Crusher, Troi and Riker move out and yet we have La Forge still pottering around engineering and Worf back from high ranking diplomat to his same old position of security chief. They all had it easy and they knew it imo.

Not that I don't still love the show.

 

[Mysterion]

Riker and all the other crybabies should have been court-martialed following Jellico's tour of duty as captain. Whether or not you agree with a command style is irrelevant. Insubordination is insubordination. Drum the bastards out of the service.

Yes.

Jellico was the best thing to happen to Star Trek since TOS, and besides DSN. How Riker got command of his own ship after his perfomance in Chain of Command, not to mention all the times he turned down promotions? Starfleet must be more screwed up than anyone ever imagined.

Would serve with Jellico any day of the week and twice on Sunday before I'd work for Picard.

 

[Nerys Ghemor]

Well, he probably couldn't do anything about Seven. She was a civilian contractor.

Anyway, I do prefer Picard's consensus-reaching. Jellico wasn't a bad guy, though, and Riker does act like he's on goofballs.

Oh, a civilian contractor, is she? I bet Jellico would argue against that--that she should be a POW instead.

 

[barnaclelapse]

Let's face it. Riker was a bit of a loser. Worf should have slew him in honorable combat, IMHO.

Uhm....no?

 

[RegFan]

Jellico would be a good wartime captain but I prefer Picard's commanding style.