German Covers for Typhon Pact

[Defcon]

The German publisher is a much smaller concern, although CBS Consumer Products would still have to approve the art.

Which resulted in a last minute change for their latest TOS release Der Friedensstifter (Mudd in your Eye). The original draft had Harry Mudd on the Cover alongside Kirk, but at the end of December, just one month before the release date Pocket (I guess in cooperation with CBS) informed them that they had to redo the cover since they had no rights to Roger C. Carmel's likeliness. In the end they pretty much just resized Kirk's image to make up for the loss of Mudd.

You can see the original draft with Mudd here

and the final version without Mudd here.

 

[USS Firefly]

The cover now is looking very good, too bad I can't reading German
But why is there a Borg cube on the cover of "typhon pact Bestien"?

 

[DimesDan]

But why is there a Borg cube on the cover of "typhon pact Bestien"?

Because the first chapter focuses on a battle towards the end of the Borg incursion that involved Sisko and Vaughn.

It does seem a little silly having it on there, but what can you do? One of the reasons why the Typhon Pact was created was because those powers believed being together was better than opposing each other and the Borg incursion was a big part of that.

 

[Therin of Andor]

But why is there a Borg cube on the cover of "typhon pact Bestien"?

Borg themes continue to grab attention. And that's what cover art is also meant to do.

 

[DimesDan]

But why is there a Borg cube on the cover of "typhon pact Bestien"?

Borg themes continue to grab attention. And that's what cover art is also meant to do.

Have you read the book in question or is it on your over flowing to read pile?

 

[USS Firefly]

I have read all the Typhon pact books, but it was almost 2 years ago and I must have forgotten that part.

 

[Therin of Andor]

Have you read the book in question or is it on your over flowing to read pile?

What is your problem with me?

You, yourself, said earlier, "Because the first chapter focuses on a battle towards the end of the Borg incursion that involved Sisko and Vaughn."

Do I have to have to have read the entire book just to agree that there is a Borg-related sequence in the book, and to remind others that Borg books/covers typically sell well?

FYI, I have read the first "Typhon Pact" novel, "Zero Sum Game", which I very much enjoyed, but ended up jumping ahead because I was the beta reader for "Paths of Disharmony". I have not yet got back to the others because I was soon engrossed by the two excellent DTI books and now the "Cold Equations" trilogy.

 

[DimesDan]

Have you read the book in question or is it on your over flowing to read pile?

What is your problem with me?

Now what makes you think I would tell you in an open forum?

You, yourself, said earlier, "Because the first chapter focuses on a battle towards the end of the Borg incursion that involved Sisko and Vaughn."

Do I have to have to have read the entire book just to agree that there is a Borg-related sequence in the book, and to remind others that Borg books/covers typically sell well?

One, yes I wrote that, I know I wrote that because, well I wrote it, I wrote it because the question of why the Borg feature on the front of a story set quite a bit of time after Destiny and after they got assimilated themselves and left for pastures new and because I've read the book in question, I felt I could answer the question.

Two, are you now privy to how well books are selling? When ever this question comes up, individuals, including yourself have said this information is highly classified and not for public consumption.

So tell me Ian, are you now privy to such information and also, why don't Full Circle, Unworthy and half the other books based after Destiny have Borg front and centre on their covers? Hell, why didn't Destiny, the Ultimate Borg Story didn't have the Borg on their front cover? Now I might be wrong, but in all of Trek Publishing, a grand total of two stories have had the Borg on their cover, Vendetta which was published some twenty years ago and Before Dishonour five-and-a-half years ago and the latter just had the side of a Borg Cube.

Three, this kinda leads back to the point I made in one, the question was asked why the Borg appeared on the cover, your answer didn't actually answer that, if you have read the book in question, hell, even the first chapter you would have known, but you didn't and your answer was at best misleading and at worst, completely and utterly wrong.

But I digress. The covers look cool, a lot better than than the ones Pocket released for the English speaking market.

 

[Therin of Andor]

Now what makes you think I would tell you in an open forum?

So tell me in a PM. Or block me.

are you now privy to how well books are selling? When ever this question comes up, individuals, including yourself have said this information is highly classified and not for public consumption.

Well, I do chat to my local SF specialist bookshop and comic shop every week. The bookshop orders in about 20 of each new ST title for the open shelves, and more for customer pre-orders, and some titles vanish within days while others sit around for weeks/months. The Borg on licensed merchandise do seem to sell fast, which is probably why Pocket, IDW and previous licensees have used Borg elements, and why the "Voyager" series plundered the Borg so often in its episodes.

I've also been an editor of a professional journal, so yes, I've had some experience in observing how certain popular design elements can "sell" a product. Similarly, we've seen Spock turn up on covers where he had minimal participation in a novel.

So tell me Ian, are you now privy to such information and also, why don't Full Circle, Unworthy and half the other books based after Destiny have Borg front and centre on their covers?

Well, you're certainly not going to use the Borg on every cover. Those books had other important things they wanted to convey. I guess. I speculate. As do we all.

As my sig has said, for years now, and due partly to previous complaints about my posting style, my speculations are my personal opinion.

Hell, why didn't Destiny, the Ultimate Borg Story didn't have the Borg on their front cover?

No idea. These are things that fans enjoy speculating about.

Now I might be wrong, but in all of Trek Publishing, a grand total of two stories have had the Borg on their cover, Vendetta which was published some twenty years ago and Before Dishonour five-and-a-half years ago and the latter just had the side of a Borg Cube.

And many DC, Marvel and IDW comic covers, including the current "Doctor Who"/TNG crossovers and trade omnibuses. And VOY VHS tapes here Down Under. And the prevalence of Playmates' Seven of Nine figures, in every costume variation imaginable. And Simon & Schuster Interactive ("Star Trek: Borg"). And the Simon & Schuster Audioworks adaptation of that game. And the upcoming DK "Visual Dictionary".

your answer was at best misleading and at worst, completely and utterly wrong.

It's my personal speculation. I'm allowed to be wrong. And so are you.

Ask Ed. I'm sure he'd agree that "Borg sell." I do not know it for fact, but it's my personal speculation and opinion, until proven wrong.

 

[T'Bonz]

All right. No personal stuff. Drop it, guys.

 

[Markonian]

But I digress. The covers look cool, a lot better than than the ones Pocket released for the English speaking market.

I like both the US and the German covers (and the new Czech one, btw). Out of curiosity, could the English editions use the German covers in some later (digital) edition, as genuine cover or little extra? For me, the cover's half the book and I struggle to decide whether to buy the English version (for the language) or the German (covers).

 

[Therin of Andor]

could the English editions use the German covers in some later (digital) edition, as genuine cover or little extra?

No, not really; the original artist would normally have an expection for his/her cover to get certain exposure. If digital versions are all you need, why not download alternate cover art to a file on your hard drive? I've done this for covers later altered in some way.

 

[JD]

Have you read the book in question or is it on your over flowing to read pile?

Three, this kinda leads back to the point I made in one, the question was asked why the Borg appeared on the cover, your answer didn't actually answer that, if you have read the book in question, hell, even the first chapter you would have known, but you didn't and your answer was at best misleading and at worst, completely and utterly wrong.

It seemed like a perfectly reasonable answer to me. And I think it is pretty clear that the Borg are popular, so it would be pretty naive to think that didn't have anything to do with them appearing on the cover.

 

[Therin of Andor]

Thanks JD. Much appreciated. Your quoting is a bit messed up there, though. Both of those quotes are Dimesdan's: his initial question and then his response to reply.

 

[JD]

Oh, sorry. I got a little mixed up with my deleting, and I thought I had it straightened out before I posted, but apparently not.

 

[Garrovick]

Apologies in advance if this question has been asked elsewhere, but...

I can certainly understand why "Star Trek" is not translated into German on the covers of these editions, but why isn't "Typhon Pact" translated? According to my computer it would translate into "Typhon Pakt" which isn't a big change. Is the translation made in the text of the books?

 

[Markonian]

Apologies in advance if this question has been asked elsewhere, but...

I can certainly understand why "Star Trek" is not translated into German on the covers of these editions, but why isn't "Typhon Pact" translated? According to my computer it would translate into "Typhon Pakt" which isn't a big change. Is the translation made in the text of the books?

English sounds cooler than German. That's why movie titles/series names usually remain in English (with optional German subtitle), e.g. Pirates of the Caribbean - Fremde Gestaden, Desperate Housewives, Grey's Anatomy, Sex and the City.

 

[Kertrats47]

Interesting experience, somewhat related: when I was living in Korea and began to learn to read hangeul, it was fun reading the movie posters for English movies. The titles would be written in hangeul characters, but they would just be "phonetically" spelling the English titles.

"'Huu-tah Rock-ah'... Oh, Hurt Locker!" or "Guh-reen Lan-tahn" - Green Lantern.

 

[Defcon]

I realized no one ever posted Cross Cults draft for the Brinkmanship cover:

Plagues of Night and Raise the Dawn most likely will keep the US covers.

 

[DS9forever]

^ Neat!