Generations/Endgame (spoilers)

[Khan 2.0]

was just thinking about how is similar Generations is to InfinityWar/Endgame - the plot with a wounded villain successfully carrying out his universe ending plan despite the main characters desperate attempts and then

Spoiler

the time travel reset/sacrifice of the iconic lead

so Generations was along the right lines for a major event crossover like MCU pulled off, but if they'd just managed to take abit longer after AGT to refine it and incorporate TOS cast/Ent-A (at least in the opening - with maybe 24th century Spock for later too) and rethought Kirks nexus stuff (Picard meeting Kirk on the Ent-A? revisiting scenes from TOS movies?), and the time travel (at least so Kirk could be on the Ent D at some point) and a better more meaningful Kirk death .. maybe it'd have been great like a 'Star Trek InfinityWar/Endgame' but 1 movie

also noticed abit of STIV (time'heist'), FC and ST09 (Borg Queen/Nero/Thanos) but Generations most of all

 

[Saul]

Missed opportunities. A better crossover and a more heroic finale for Kirk would have improved the film. They undervalued the relevance of both.

 

[suarezguy]

Having the whole original series cast and/or giving Kirk a much more prominent role would have taken away from the other characters (and taken more budget). A crossover was dubiously needed, especially with TUC a strong finale and already vaguely passing the torch, but better it be just a partial passing the torch than a fullblown teamup of both casts.

I don't think it's at all realistic to think Paramount would give a bigger budget or longer runtime but, to get a little unrealistic, the film probably may have been a little better if the studio been willing to wait a little longer to make and release it, the writers could have thought of it a little more as a big event rather than just another installment.

 

[WarpFactorZ]

A crossover was dubiously needed, especially with TUC a strong finale and already vaguely passing the torch, but better it be just a partial passing the torch than a fullblown teamup of both casts.

TUC was a perfect ending to the TOS saga and passed the torch in a brilliant way. I hate that Generations undid that graceful exit. We didn't need a Marvel team-up style adventure to spell it out.

 

[Lance]

One part I agree about is Spock -- Nimoy's problem was that his role was effectively a cameo at the start of the movie that "any of these characters could do, it didn't need to be Spock" (as, indeed, happened ), he suggested a rewrite but it was refused so he walked, but it occurs to me the answer was to bring 24th century Spock into the picture -- he was, after all, already established. Maybe make him someone who has spent a century studying the Nexus and truly believes Kirk not to be dead. In this way, he acts as the critical pivot that combines the 23rd and 24th century parts of the movie, and facilitates Kirk's return. Maybe Soren is therefore a nemesis of Spock's, someone who stole Spock's research and is using it nefariously.

 

[publiusr]

TUC was a perfect ending to the TOS saga and passed the torch in a brilliant way. I hate that Generations undid that graceful exit. We didn't need a Marvel team-up style adventure to spell it out.

I wouldn't have minded a cross-over event with ENT-A meeting the ENT-D

 

[Bry_Sinclair]

If Generations had left out Kirk entirely it would've been a better film. Handing over the reigns happened in "Encounter at Farpoint" with McCoy, then again with Spock and Scotty, after seven years TNG proved that it could more than stand on its own two feet so didn't need another passing of the torch.

Had the film instead had an incident faced by the E-B (and then the E-C prior to her destruction, I'd love to see more of Rachel Garrett) that was then resolved by Picard and Co it would've been better, IMHO.

 

[Ethros]

I wouldn't have minded a cross-over event with ENT-A meeting the ENT-D

Ron Moore always said that was his idea for the poster, the two ships locked in combat. Which yes would look cool, but kinda silly given how much larger, powerful and more advanced the Ent-D would have been over the A.
Then again if it can be beaten by an old Klingon Bird of Prey (twice, once even crewed by Ferengi) then maybe not

 

[Danlav05]

Yesterday’s Enterprise with Kirk and Spock instead of dreary Garrett and more Klingons would have been an epic take on events - they even said if they knew TNG would get movies they would have saved the idea for it.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

Yesterday’s Enterprise with Kirk and Spock instead of dreary Garrett and more Klingons would have been an epic take on events - they even said if they knew TNG would get movies they would have saved the idea for it.

Interesting.

 

[Ethros]

Only thing about that too, if it were like Yesterday's Enterprise, is it wouldn't be our Picard and co. It would be the alternate time like in the episode, where they're all far more serious, battle weary, and everything we saw in the show wouldn't have happened to them

 

[Danlav05]

Interesting.

I made it as a fan edit. came in at about 1h12, bit rough around the edges but I'm very proud of it

https://dannylavery9.wordpress.com/2017/10/24/star-trek-days-of-future-past-fan-editors-notes/