Picard said it in "Sins of The Father" when he wanted to have them 'set course for the First City in the Klingon Imperial Empire'.
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True; I don't think there is a fragment where we hear Klingons refer to their Empire in that way, though.
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True. As far as I can recall at the moment, Klingons just called it 'the empire'.
Definitely not on TOS. They were backstabbers and often cowardly.
Could easily see Kor laying out a "Five year plan" for Organia's economic development and putting signs up everywhere. They give off the vibe of the corrupt Brezhnev era Soviet Union to me. Again, not the same thing as 24th century Klingons at all.
The Borg, ultimately, did far less damage than the Dominion.
In a sense, the Borg got Starfleet better prepared for something like the Dominion.
The definition of socialism, is the State ownership of the means of production. This is every farm, every power plant, every factory, and so on.
In other words YOU have to toe the line exactly. Otherwise you become a non person - otherwise known as 'dead'. For those that toe the line it is true slavery.
Communism is the state ownership of EVERYTHING. You are most definitely a slave to be terminated at the state's pleasure. For this definition, you may perfer the term 'Serf'.
Keeping in mind that a Serf is owned by the land, that is the State.
There was joke in Moscow in the 1980s...they pretend to pay us, so we pretend to work.
In other words YOU have to toe the line exactly. Otherwise you become a non person - otherwise known as 'dead'. For those that toe the line it is true slavery.
Communism is the state ownership of EVERYTHING. You are most definitely a slave to be terminated at the state's pleasure. For this definition, you may perfer the term 'Serf'.
Keeping in mind that a Serf is owned by the land, that is the State.
There was joke in Moscow in the 1980s...they pretend to pay us, so we pretend to work.
there's a philosophical argument that one of the strengths of socialism is also its weakness: socialism inherently removes luck as a success factor for members of its economy. While this helps to equalize the playing field for those in it, it also removes some of the "organic" unplanned success factors that any large complicated system needs in order to remain vibrant. Most extremely successful members of capitalist societies would not want to admit that luck plays a huge part in their success or failure, but very rarely do you get a person so unique among millions that they are able to vault through a system entirely on their own talent and effort.
It's difficult to say who is socialist in Star Trek because we rarely get to see much about the economies. How do workers control the means of production when production just means having a replicator or building a robot to make things for you? There's not much social about that. At that point the resources it took to make things is more important than the making of the thing itself, as well as other issues like the pollution from making it, the right to live somewhere you want to live (how did Barkley get such a primo apartment in downtown San Francisco?) and so on. I suspect Georgism would finally be workable.
Because the threat was one that struck at the very heart of Federation society.
^And the Borg didn't strike at the heart?
I doubt the Federation would've survived, had Earth been assimilated in BOBW.
I would think in a simpler direction. The Borg just made two isolated (quite possibly even half hearted) attempts (three if you count Regeneration). The Dominion made a concerted war effort over months or even years.
I doubt the Federation would've survived, had Earth been assimilated in BOBW.
I would think in a simpler direction. The Borg just made two isolated (quite possibly even half hearted) attempts (three if you count Regeneration). The Dominion made a concerted war effort over months or even years.
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Not in the same way.
So, what made the Dominion so particularly damaging, then, in your view? What was this heart they struck at (and the Borg didn't)?
For starters, the changelings could impersonate anybody.
Ah, right, more damaging in the sense that you couldn't really trust anybody anymore.
Yeah, there's something to that.
Yeah, there's something to that.
This. The Federation and Starfleet are really built in mutual trust and cooperation. When you can't trust that the person you're talking to is actually that person you disrupt the society in a much different way.
As SF DEBRIS puts it, "With the Borg they might turn your friends against you. With the Dominion, you don't know if they already have".
If the imposter had been in place long enough, you couldn't trust if the person you thought you knew ever even existed. The next step after this would be if you found out that your entire surrounding - people, places, things, were all holograms.
Hmmm... interesting. Would some of that distrust and paranoia have lingered in Federation society even after the Dominion War was over?
Anybody who was themselves, but wasn't acting like themselves would be jokingly accused of having been replaced. It would also show up as a common thread in paranoiac theories.
I'd say that's pretty much inevitable.
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