General Trek Questions and Observations
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Leonard Nimoy wrote that he'd listened to recordings read by W. Somerset Maugham. He thus based Spock's English pronunciation upon that man's, as Maugham himself was a smart guy who had learned English as a second language.
Sounds reasonable to me!
Sounds reasonable to me!
Groucho Marx talked about Somerset Maugham in interviews. That's where I first learned of him.
So in the TNG episode "Manhunt" why did Worf randomly say "What a handsome race!" after seeing the Antedians for the first time? WTF? Who wrote that line?! What does it even mean?! LOL. Whenever I watch that episode and Worf says that line I think of this meme:
An attempt to make Worf have alien sensibilities.So in the TNG episode "Manhunt" why did Worf randomly say "What a handsome race!" after seeing the Antedians for the first time? WTF? Who wrote that line?! What does it even mean?! LOL. Whenever I watch that episode and Worf says that line I think of this meme:
That makes me think, when did they decide that Worf was raised by humans? At least some episodes in Season 1 still seem to work under the assumption that he grew up among Klingons.
Definitely by the time of "Heart of Glory" in the late-middle of Season 1, written by DC Fontana.
Blast from the Past:
Us, 20 years ago -- almost to the month -- talking about "Series VI". Enjoy!
Place your bets on Series VI (archive.org)
Funniest thing ever, and I never could've known at the time: I had a Disco Ball as an avatar. And the next Star Trek series actually ended up turning out to be Disco!
Cutting-and-pasting three posts of mine from 20 years ago on October 9th, 2003:
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I was mostly right in the first post. I never could've known about Streaming, but otherwise I was on the right track.
In the second post, I wasn't just off, I was waaayyyy off.
The third post, I could've made that post today.
Us, 20 years ago -- almost to the month -- talking about "Series VI". Enjoy!
Place your bets on Series VI (archive.org)
Funniest thing ever, and I never could've known at the time: I had a Disco Ball as an avatar. And the next Star Trek series actually ended up turning out to be Disco!
Cutting-and-pasting three posts of mine from 20 years ago on October 9th, 2003:
ENT could be cancelled at any time and this series could start some period later. Just because ENT ends doesn't mean Star Trek will permanently end.
If Series VI on UPN doesn't come to pass, then a new Star Trek will either be pitched somewhere or that somewhere is going to have a demand for Star Trek. Syndication will either want a Star Trek after loosing all of the existing series in Spike or Sci-Fi, or Sci-Fi might be interested in a producing its own Star Trek series. Or it could be a demand from somewhere else. Someone could come in one day with a pitch saying, "Remember that show called Star Trek?"
Succinctly, I have no idea when or where Series VI will end up, but I doubt ENT is going to be the last Star Trek series ever, and it will be about something, hence the reason I put this up.
Who knows? Maybe TrekBBS will even still be around for it even though most of the names will have changed.
If Series VI on UPN doesn't come to pass, then a new Star Trek will either be pitched somewhere or that somewhere is going to have a demand for Star Trek. Syndication will either want a Star Trek after loosing all of the existing series in Spike or Sci-Fi, or Sci-Fi might be interested in a producing its own Star Trek series. Or it could be a demand from somewhere else. Someone could come in one day with a pitch saying, "Remember that show called Star Trek?"
Succinctly, I have no idea when or where Series VI will end up, but I doubt ENT is going to be the last Star Trek series ever, and it will be about something, hence the reason I put this up.
Who knows? Maybe TrekBBS will even still be around for it even though most of the names will have changed.
I think Paramount learned after having DS9 run concurrently with TNG and VOY that having two series on at the same time isn't an ideal situation.
This is why there was no syndicated series to replace DS9 when it ended and a Star Trek series only remained on UPN. When UPN cancels its Star Trek, then that frees up Star Trek to be produced elsewhere.
That in and of itself is not incentive to start a Series VI on Sci-Fi, but when Stargate SG1 ends (or when another series after Stargate ends) and Enterprise isn't running on UPN, then Sci-Fi only being able to produce so many original series at once, might be interested in a Star Trek series to replace it. It's a brand name, it doesn't require the same level of ratings that a network would demand, and this Star Trek series would probably be a lot cheaper, maybe with half the budget Star Trek has right now, meaning the days of expensive-looking Star Trek would be over.
Having a Series VI would most likely be done not only to have a new series for Sci-Fi, but so Sci-Fi can have new Star Trek episodes besides TOS. It would be a similar situation to 20 years ago with TNG when syndicators were looking for more episodes, the only difference being that there wouldn't be any movies this time to prove that Star Trek is still a money-making machine that can support these new episodes. Yet another reason for a lower budget.
This is all assuming that Spike doesn't suck up TOS.
So that's how I think Series VI could end up on Sci-Fi. I'm not saying it will happen, I'm just saying this is one way it could happen if it did.
This is why there was no syndicated series to replace DS9 when it ended and a Star Trek series only remained on UPN. When UPN cancels its Star Trek, then that frees up Star Trek to be produced elsewhere.
That in and of itself is not incentive to start a Series VI on Sci-Fi, but when Stargate SG1 ends (or when another series after Stargate ends) and Enterprise isn't running on UPN, then Sci-Fi only being able to produce so many original series at once, might be interested in a Star Trek series to replace it. It's a brand name, it doesn't require the same level of ratings that a network would demand, and this Star Trek series would probably be a lot cheaper, maybe with half the budget Star Trek has right now, meaning the days of expensive-looking Star Trek would be over.
Having a Series VI would most likely be done not only to have a new series for Sci-Fi, but so Sci-Fi can have new Star Trek episodes besides TOS. It would be a similar situation to 20 years ago with TNG when syndicators were looking for more episodes, the only difference being that there wouldn't be any movies this time to prove that Star Trek is still a money-making machine that can support these new episodes. Yet another reason for a lower budget.
This is all assuming that Spike doesn't suck up TOS.
So that's how I think Series VI could end up on Sci-Fi. I'm not saying it will happen, I'm just saying this is one way it could happen if it did.
I don't get what the big fuss is over which century a series takes place in. If you think about it, anything that takes place in the future is going to be significantly more advanced. ENT, TOS, TNG, doesn't matter.
It's just a matter of making the technology actually sound normal to the people using it instead just showing it off to the present-day audience.
This leads me to believe that it's more a matter of writing technobabble than the actual century a series takes place in that would be a problem.
It's just a matter of making the technology actually sound normal to the people using it instead just showing it off to the present-day audience.
This leads me to believe that it's more a matter of writing technobabble than the actual century a series takes place in that would be a problem.
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I was mostly right in the first post. I never could've known about Streaming, but otherwise I was on the right track.
In the second post, I wasn't just off, I was waaayyyy off.
The third post, I could've made that post today.
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I noted that even though they were taking a hard look at genetic enhancement in SNW, it's still a crime 120y later ("Dr. Bashir, I Presume"). I think the reason is pretty simple... even if you could do it without creating Khan 2.0 (and Una and Bashir suggest you can), once it became normalized, it would become nearly necessary. If you had a 100 IQ, ordinary strength, and a 120-year lifespan, you'd look pretty pathetic when the new normal was a 180 IQ, the strength of an Olympic weightlifter, and a 200-year lifespan.
And there's also the problem of creating people for a specific role, as seen taken to an insane extreme with the Jem'Hadar. Sooner or later, that would probably happen.
And there's also the problem of creating people for a specific role, as seen taken to an insane extreme with the Jem'Hadar. Sooner or later, that would probably happen.
Yes, I imagine duty at 'The gulag Rura Penthe' is dead-end duty for either dishonored or politically out-of-favor Klingons. You can check out any time you like, but you can never leave.
Anyone notice that the goofy humor in Lower Decks is a lot like the goofy humor from the Kelvin-verse movies? This just hit me today. Silly stuff like Kirk suffering from "numb tongue" in the 2009 Star Trek movie or Kirk trying to initiate diplomatic relations with those aliens at the beginning of Beyond only for them to be revealed as very small is the kind of humor you'd see in Lower Decks. Kelvin-verse movies are, of course, not nearly as silly as Lower Decks but the funny parts in the Kelvin-verse movies remind me a lot of Lower Decks type of humor.
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So when the dad of the little boy in ST: Insurrection told Picard that the Ba'ku didn't want to fight back against the invading Son'a because "the moment they pick up a weapon, they become like the Son'a and they lose everything they are" I always found that line of thinking a bit ridiculous in this movie. I mean, I am all for pacifism when it makes sense but why the hell would you not fight back against an invading force? Why would you just let them bully you and conquer you and your people? If the Enterprise wasn't there to help the Ba'ku against the Son'a and a corrupt Starfleet admiral then what, would the Ba'ku just surrender and let the Son'a drive them out of their village? And who the hell would ever respect a leader who doesn't defend their own people?
Welcome to pacific pacificism. That's how it works. Taking a life is more detestable than losing property.
To that I say "Evil prevails when good men do nothing."
Violence is not the only way would be the response.
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