One example for me would be the two part DS9 season 4 episodes first being Homefront and the second being Paradise Lost. Where Admiral Layton attempts a military coup and similar to the movie Seven Days in May.
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One example for me would be the two part DS9 season 4 episodes first being Homefront and the second being Paradise Lost. Where Admiral Layton attempts a military coup and similar to the movie Seven Days in May.
Is Kirk in TOS meant to have blond or brown hair? It kinda seems to vary from episode to episode, and the fact that it's early colour television and the colours of everything can vary with lighting and stuff doesn't help.
Or is he just using some sort of futuristic hair coloring device like the one seen in Data's day? :-p
Or is he just using some sort of futuristic hair coloring device like the one seen in Data's day? :-p
There is this premise that humankind has somehow gotten 'better' in the future, and learned to build a better society avoiding such historical errors. That's why they can't really explore this, except in some isolated instances (deranged or fanatical or misguided splinter group (think adm. Leyton) / mirror universe / by proxy of alien species -cardassians for example).
And if any series were to show it (e.g. by showing how the Federation wholesale devolves into a dictatorship), lots of fans would be angry because that series would be 'betraying the spirit of Star Trek' or some such formulation.
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Which is total bullshit.
Because as a rule for the most part every society at some point goes through growth and collapse, and possible rebirth.
^ I agree that it isn't realistic. But it seem to be the premise nonetheless.
Then again, most concepts we see in the show aren't too realistic to begin with. Most 'mainstream' physicists don't consider it too plausible warp drive could actually exist, transporters even less so.
Then again, most concepts we see in the show aren't too realistic to begin with. Most 'mainstream' physicists don't consider it too plausible warp drive could actually exist, transporters even less so.
I have already pointed out that the franchise had skimmed this episode with a few episodes and also the Mirror Universe.
So basically . . . it seemed the franchise has been pushed into a corner with this illusional and false portrayal of humanity. I have heard rumors about how some writers found this premise difficult - especially when writing for Human characters. What a pity.
Possibly, yes.
Then again, when Gene started writing just a couple of stories about a better humanity encountering alien worlds with problems different but sometimes strangely reminiscent to contemporary problems, he of course couldn't have dreamt that a franchise spanning over 55 years, and still going strong, would follow, and he therefore wouldn't have worried about such long-term consequences.
I'd love to see more friendly Q so that would be cool. I've always wanted to see Amanda Rogers again so having her return in a future Trek would be cool. I mean she was a friendly Q but to see if she had changed over the years.
,,, only to find out she had become the most snide, condescending and arrogant Q ever ?
,,, only to find out she had become the most snide, condescending and arrogant Q ever ?
OMG did Amanda really change?
^No idea. Just indicating that if they actually were to execute that idea, the result might turn out disappointing. Might be hard to follow up on the 'promise' of a sweet innocent adolescent joining the continuum.
CBS is still doing it with shows like SEAL Team, Blue Bloods, nu-Hawaii 5-0 (during its run), nu-Magnum P.I., and nu-SWAT. For the most part they are managing to maintain the quality, but I imagine the actors feel that the schedule is a bit hellish by today's standards.
By our standards a million years could have passed in the continuum and for all we know she's grizzled and grumpy but I'm still curious about that character. I did look her up on Memory Alpha and she's made other appearances in what I assume are novels.
Quinn was pretty benevolent and kind and did things throughout history to help Earth humans but then again he seemed to be an outlier in many regards, not only in wanting to end his own existence.
Prometheus?
He was probably one of the "almost respectable" denizens Guinan referenced in TNG's 'Q Who'. Although depending on how old she was, she may have not met him given that he was imprisoned in the comet at the time, and had been for 300 years or whatever at that point.
Yeah, Quinn was the first Q we met in the franchise that wasn't Amanda Rogers(and part-human) or an asshole of some kind.
He came across as sympathetic, but even he was 'corrupted' to some degree. Remember when he tried to kill himself, he made all the males from the ship disappear instead, and after a failed attempt to bring them back he just tried to shrug it off (I'm really very sorry for the inconvenience, I don't know how to bring your crew back, I have to be going now' ), just moments before 'our' Q appeared. So I would think Guinan's description of them: 'some are almost respectable' was quite apt.
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