True, but I'm less concerned with the practical considerations and more concerned with the Federation apparently becoming slavers...
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True, but I'm less concerned with the practical considerations and more concerned with the Federation apparently becoming slavers...
And REALLY DUMB slavers at that. Why not sell the EMH programs off to people who need their own personal physician but can't afford a human one? Just because the Federation doesn't use money doesn't mean it couldn't benefit from trading with species that do.
Just rewatched Apocalypse Rising. Starfleets select a spy for an infiltration mission into the Klingon High Command and won't you know it - it's captain Sisko. You'd think they'd just send in some specialist team, but no - he's apparently the best person the Federation can send. Just like Picard had to go in in Chain of Command because he apparently was the best choice in the entire Federation for that job. I wonder sometimes if these people, when alone contemplate regret that they're apparently so outstanding in so many things. All those insanely high risk missions coming their way because of it.
Obviously it served the plot to have Avery Brooks do this.
Btw are we supposed to believe the Gowron we see in 'The Way of the Warrior' is a changeling?
No: Martok.
Ah. He did the blood test with Sisko and Kira. But there was also that telling scene where Odo showed Garak just how easily it was for him to change. So the "blood" was part of "Martok". Hadn't connected those dots until now.
I've ranked the "Q-centric" episodes from TNG, DS9 and Voyager best to worst with some random notes.
Tapestry | TNG S6E15
This one is classic in the way all the best Trek episodes are. While it is 40ish minutes long, there is a clear beginning, middle and end to the outing. Within the story is a wide range of emotion. The episode is also very colourful. And we learn a new word, guramba. And how Q has personal space issues. But Picard gets some, so that's all that matters, right?
Q Who | TNG S2E16
I'll say being kidnapped by a seemingly all-powerful being is almost as terrifying as having that same questionable being thrust you and your crew into the path of another bunch of mad creatures. Also, Picard is an idiot for disregarding Guinan's serious recommendation to high-tail it out of that space.
All Good Things... | TNG S7E25
Okay, so Q isn't exactly front and center here. But he is often teased in the background when we don't actually see him, much like in a certain modern Trek show. We get all the versions of Q de Lancie. And a veiled promise to drop in again sometime.
Deja Q | TNG S3E13
Red alert indeed. And still Q is a jerk until depression gets the better of him as it probably would any defrocked super being. Great additions to this episode are Guinan's talent with a fork, Worf's reactions to Q, and Q's gift to our favourite android. Oh, and Picard's due-diligence about shuttlecrafts which backfires. Only scene missing is Q having a counselling session with Troi. But he still managed to get in a dig at Crusher.
Death Wish | VOY S2E18
Possibly the most thoughtful of the dozen. We should have seen more of Quinn in Voyager, although obviously that would have meant extending the themes beyond this episode. The one part where Q de Lancie brings in himself as an expert makes me think there might be more than one version of him out there. Neelix had a funny line. Loved the touch of playing golf with planets.
True Q | TNG S6E6
We definitely needed more Amanda Rogers. Is Q de Lancie attracted to her? She's cute that's for sure. We learn Q de Lancie basically show up only to hear Picard's speeches. Also, adorable puppies!
Q-Less | DS9 S1E6
Q gets the punch he's deserved for eons. He actually tries to help the DS9 motley crew, but in his usual riddley way. I wonder though, when Q makes somebody disappear, where do they go? We've seen it happen a few times, and every time they're brought back the people look around confused as if they were in a form of stasis or something. Maybe the series would've had less trouble with the Cardassians if Q had taken O'Brien's request for him to go torment some?
Qpid | TNG S4E20
Q gets in another shot at Worf by making him a merry man. Q suggests he could have shown up to Picard as a female, which opens up all manner of interesting possibilities. And Q 's game probably saved those poor people from a boring-ass speech from mon capitaine.
The Q and the Grey | VOY S3E11
Suzie Plakson ftw. Her comment to Tom Paris is excellently dismissive. And the baby is incredibly adorable and cute in his Starfleet uniform. Oh, and we see another cute puppy. If the "good" Q are the arrogant ones we usually interact with, how bad are the "bad" ones? For a tick there Colonel Q seemed cool.
Encounter at Farpoint | TNG S1E1
Q is an arrogant jerk know-it-all right out of the gate, who claims to be all-powerful yet also says how surprised he is when the Enterprise crew solves the mystery he tasked them with. And seems out of date with his knowledge of humanity. Some clues to chinks in his armour...
Hide and Q | TNG S1E9
Q was probably hoping Riker would chose to snap a beard onto his face. Picard comforting Tasha was sweet, and atypical at the time. I've never much cared for Geordie, and here he gives a great example why. I'm legally blind and would jump at the chance not to be. And his absurdly weird personal question to Worf. I love Q's abrupt exit; reminds me of Trelane's summoning.
Q2 | VOY S7E18
Clutch move casting John de Lancie's son as Junior. But this one feels in many places like a tepid retread of the much more superior 'Deja Q'. Neat seeing another Q wearing the judge outfit though.
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What say you? Or should I ask, what say Q?
Tapestry | TNG S6E15
This one is classic in the way all the best Trek episodes are. While it is 40ish minutes long, there is a clear beginning, middle and end to the outing. Within the story is a wide range of emotion. The episode is also very colourful. And we learn a new word, guramba. And how Q has personal space issues. But Picard gets some, so that's all that matters, right?
Q Who | TNG S2E16
I'll say being kidnapped by a seemingly all-powerful being is almost as terrifying as having that same questionable being thrust you and your crew into the path of another bunch of mad creatures. Also, Picard is an idiot for disregarding Guinan's serious recommendation to high-tail it out of that space.
All Good Things... | TNG S7E25
Okay, so Q isn't exactly front and center here. But he is often teased in the background when we don't actually see him, much like in a certain modern Trek show. We get all the versions of Q de Lancie. And a veiled promise to drop in again sometime.
Deja Q | TNG S3E13
Red alert indeed. And still Q is a jerk until depression gets the better of him as it probably would any defrocked super being. Great additions to this episode are Guinan's talent with a fork, Worf's reactions to Q, and Q's gift to our favourite android. Oh, and Picard's due-diligence about shuttlecrafts which backfires. Only scene missing is Q having a counselling session with Troi. But he still managed to get in a dig at Crusher.
Death Wish | VOY S2E18
Possibly the most thoughtful of the dozen. We should have seen more of Quinn in Voyager, although obviously that would have meant extending the themes beyond this episode. The one part where Q de Lancie brings in himself as an expert makes me think there might be more than one version of him out there. Neelix had a funny line. Loved the touch of playing golf with planets.
True Q | TNG S6E6
We definitely needed more Amanda Rogers. Is Q de Lancie attracted to her? She's cute that's for sure. We learn Q de Lancie basically show up only to hear Picard's speeches. Also, adorable puppies!
Q-Less | DS9 S1E6
Q gets the punch he's deserved for eons. He actually tries to help the DS9 motley crew, but in his usual riddley way. I wonder though, when Q makes somebody disappear, where do they go? We've seen it happen a few times, and every time they're brought back the people look around confused as if they were in a form of stasis or something. Maybe the series would've had less trouble with the Cardassians if Q had taken O'Brien's request for him to go torment some?
Qpid | TNG S4E20
Q gets in another shot at Worf by making him a merry man. Q suggests he could have shown up to Picard as a female, which opens up all manner of interesting possibilities. And Q 's game probably saved those poor people from a boring-ass speech from mon capitaine.
The Q and the Grey | VOY S3E11
Suzie Plakson ftw. Her comment to Tom Paris is excellently dismissive. And the baby is incredibly adorable and cute in his Starfleet uniform. Oh, and we see another cute puppy. If the "good" Q are the arrogant ones we usually interact with, how bad are the "bad" ones? For a tick there Colonel Q seemed cool.
Encounter at Farpoint | TNG S1E1
Q is an arrogant jerk know-it-all right out of the gate, who claims to be all-powerful yet also says how surprised he is when the Enterprise crew solves the mystery he tasked them with. And seems out of date with his knowledge of humanity. Some clues to chinks in his armour...
Hide and Q | TNG S1E9
Q was probably hoping Riker would chose to snap a beard onto his face. Picard comforting Tasha was sweet, and atypical at the time. I've never much cared for Geordie, and here he gives a great example why. I'm legally blind and would jump at the chance not to be. And his absurdly weird personal question to Worf. I love Q's abrupt exit; reminds me of Trelane's summoning.
Q2 | VOY S7E18
Clutch move casting John de Lancie's son as Junior. But this one feels in many places like a tepid retread of the much more superior 'Deja Q'. Neat seeing another Q wearing the judge outfit though.
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What say you? Or should I ask, what say Q?
I agree that this seemed beyond stupid. As if Starfleet wants to go out of their way to humiliate renowned holographic engineer Zimmerman with this 'solution' that can't have been very efficient. As you already indicated in next posts, there would have been many more rational solutions.
In addition, remember that Quinn made the whole male crew of Voyager disappear, and Q had no trouble bringing them back, even though he had never been on Voyager before and presumably didn't know any of the men onboard. That suggests that they still existed somewhere, in a place only a Q could access.
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Yeah. Q did it on DS9 a few times as well.
Also, I got a kick out of Quinn already sporting a Starfleet uniform when Torres beams him up.
Probably May 1990 through June 1999, from "The Best of Both Worlds, Part I(TNG)" to "What You Leave Behind(DS9)."
From mass-market, pop culture perspective, that’s a hell of a long run.
ETA I’m going with gweebs here. From September ‘89 to cooleddie’s date because the first episodes of season three looked better and the production overall was more assured. Both Wesley and Data featured strong character development right at the beginning and the show only got better from there.
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9 years, 1 month. Even the original Star Wars films didn't have a run that long. ROTJ was out of most theaters by 1984, the merchandising was in decline and the two Ewok TV-movies and two Saturday morning cartoons based on the franchise(1984-85)weren't exactly smash hits that reinvigorated the Lucas universe with new ideas. Within 9 years of the first movie dropping the Star Wars universe had drifted into hibernation.
Definitely. Voyager had some really creepy aliens of the week.
The creepiest moment in VOY may be this:
Given that we've got five series active and apparently going strong, I'd say we might be headed into a second one. Or at least a Silver Age.
QUOTE: The creepiest moment in VOY may be this:
The only thing you have to fear is fear itself. Unless you're Captain Janeway. Then, fear itself fears you.
QUOTE: The creepiest moment in VOY may be this:
The only thing you have to fear is fear itself. Unless you're Captain Janeway. Then, fear itself fears you.
"I'm afraid."
"I KNOW."
The most gangster and Jim Kirk that Kathy Janeway's ever been. It was and still is a glorious moment in Trek.
"I KNOW."
The most gangster and Jim Kirk that Kathy Janeway's ever been. It was and still is a glorious moment in Trek.
Episodic science fiction is what VOY did best. The Thaw is a great example of that.
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