General Trek Questions and Observations

[Discofan]

"John Luck"'s French is terrible! I AM FRENCH and I had to listen to each instance of it at least a couple of times before I got what he was trying to say. He doesn't even say all the words!!! I mean how hard can it be? Gert Fröbe when he took his role as Goldfinger in the movie with the eponymic title, didn't understand English AT ALL, yet you can't tell from the movie, he's completely believable as a German fluent in English. Yet he only had hours to prepare for the part. Patrick Stewart had YEARS... Go figure...

 

[NCC-73515]

Americans usually pronounce all foreign words as if they're American words, not just French ones

 

[Discofan]

Americans usually pronounce all foreign words as if they're American words, not just French ones

Not always, they pronounce words like "cojones", "Juan", "chile" correctly... Maybe they're preparing themselves to switch to Spanish someday.

 

[Alexander Corrino]

How come "Jean-Luc Picard" is never pronounced in the correct way? It's always said in an extremely anglophone/Americanized way.

I mean it's not difficult to pronounce it in the proper, French way.

From what I’ve observed, a lot of viewers don’t even KNOW that Jean-Luc can’t seem to pronounce his own name correctly.

 

[amp]

Americans usually pronounce all foreign words as if they're American words, not just French ones

I think Brits are worse than Americans, especially for food. In the UK they usually pronounce "pasta" or "paella" like an English word while Americans tend to follow the foreign pronunciation.

But really one of the strengths of English is all the loan words that come from foreign languages and become incorporated into English. Other languages like French are much more strict about integrating foreign words into the vocabulary.

 

[Orphalesion]

I can't remember now... did they pronounce Bashir's name in the right way or did they call him "Bash Here"?

 

[Tim Thomason]

I think Brits are worse than Americans, especially for food. In the UK they usually pronounce "pasta" or "paella" like an English word while Americans tend to follow the foreign pronunciation.

But really one of the strengths of English is all the loan words that come from foreign languages and become incorporated into English. Other languages like French are much more strict about integrating foreign words into the vocabulary.

This seems true. I noticed it quite often with the consistent, repeated mispronunciation of Barack Obama's name in almost all of British media.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Star Trek reference in Raised By Wolves.
Sue, when asked to examine an android, "I'm a doctor not a mechanic".

 

[Henoch]

"John Luck"'s French is terrible! I AM FRENCH and I had to listen to each instance of it at least a couple of times before I got what he was trying to say. He doesn't even say all the words!!! I mean how hard can it be? Gert Fröbe when he took his role as Goldfinger in the movie with the eponymic title, didn't understand English AT ALL, yet you can't tell from the movie, he's completely believable as a German fluent in English. Yet he only had hours to prepare for the part. Patrick Stewart had YEARS... Go figure...

It could be that the Federation Standard Language is American-Canadian.

 

[Discofan]

It could be that the Federation Standard Language is American-Canadian.

Or that Patrick Stewart is too lazy to properly learn a couple of sentences in French... even when he's posing as French. To think that some actors spent months with language coaches to prepare for a part. How stupid of them!

 

[Henoch]

Imagine Patrick Stewart playing Picard with a fake French accent during the entire series? Oy Vey!

 

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[Alexander Corrino]

Imagine Patrick Stewart playing Picard with a fake French accent during the entire series? Oy Vey!

They had plans to do that, and they did try to have him do the intro with a French accent. (I still want to hear that. Sir Patrick says it’s somewhere in the archives.) It sounded so horrible that they dropped the entire “you should have a French accent” idea. I love his French accent in LA Story tho, so it does work... for comedy purposes.

 

[Orphalesion]

Imagine Patrick Stewart playing Picard with a fake French accent during the entire series? Oy Vey!

You don't have to make him do that, just have him (and at least the other main characters) pronounce his own name correctly.

 

[Tenacity]

Americans usually pronounce all foreign words as if they're American words, not just French ones

americans do make a effort with the dizzyingly number of languages in our nation, admittedly we get it wrong on occasion. but the attempt is being made.

 

[at Quark's]

In retrospect, it probably would have been simpler to simply change "Picard's" background to a British one, after they hired Stewart. It's not as if Jean-Luc having a French background added that much to TNG anyway, IMHO. The most we really got out of it was him whispering merde softly every now and then.

 

[Sir Anthony Eden]

I was just wondering if there was an in universe reason why the Ferengi who first appeared in STNG were so different to the race we came to know so well later on.

 

[Nyotarules]

I think the most spectacular promotion is the one that "almost" happened to kelvin-Kirk from cadet to vice admiral in about five years or so!!! That's totally unprecedented!!!

Yep, that had me laughing out loud in the cinema, applying for the job to be Commodore Paris boss. Which idiot thought that was a good idea? The ST09 promotion was already ridiculous

I was just wondering if there was an in universe reason why the Ferengi who first appeared in STNG were so different to the race we came to know so well later on.

Because just like all humans are not the same, in universe all aliens should not be the same. (The TNG Ferengi were in the military, the DS9 ones were civilians)

 

[Sir Anthony Eden]

Ok, thanks.

 

[NCC-73515]

Shimerman specifically wanted to reverse the damage done to the Ferengi in early TNG with Quark