And Chekov did in the movies. But not in TOS.
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And Chekov did in the movies. But not in TOS.
I agree that she looked good, but I think it was best overall that she didn't immediately (or eventually) join Starfleet. Making all the Maquis join in the first couple episodes was a major misstep, in my opinion.
Not immediately, no, but it eventually should have been addressed. Hell, in the Year of Hell future they even had *Neelix* in uniform and Seven explicitly reminiscing about how much she'd grown and learned from her new family, yet still no hint of even the possibility of an official position for her.
Now, it could easily have gone the other direction with Janeway offering an official position and Seven declining for some reason and I'd've been ok with that, too. Either option would have been interesting character development and advanced Seven's ultimate arc of finding her place among humanity. But just teaching her moral and social lessons while largely ignoring her place in/contributions to society was not enough to sustain multiple seasons. It went stale.
Psychologically, it could have been a poor move - Seven's deal was discovering her individuality. Putting a uniform on her (the clue is in the name) could have detracted from that. Conformism.
Yep, I was going to mention that. It was "The Lorelei Signal."
We can make up all sorts of reasons as to why Seven never changed to the uniform, doesn't changed that the actual reason was that they felt they had to show off Jeri Ryan's body to lure in viewers.
(note: this is nothing against Jeri Ryan, I think she played Seven very well and was a lot more than just a decoration)
We know why, and it was stupid, but keeping the character of Seven outside of Starfleet (and the uniform, of course) was the wisest thing they could've done. Janeway forcing the Maquis into Starfleet was bad enough, and I feel the show found its footing and corrected this mistake by the time Seven came along.
Kes was never in a uniform either, although it probably would've made way more sense for her to join (and take accelerated classes) on the way to becoming a qualified Starfleet medical personnel, as we can assume her daughter did in that alternate timeline.
But then again, Kirk put Starfleet uniforms onto Captain Christopher, Khan Noonien Singh, Charlie X, and his fourteen-year-old nephew.
Kes was never in a uniform either, although it probably would've made way more sense for her to join (and take accelerated classes) on the way to becoming a qualified Starfleet medical personnel, as we can assume her daughter did in that alternate timeline.
But then again, Kirk put Starfleet uniforms onto Captain Christopher, Khan Noonien Singh, Charlie X, and his fourteen-year-old nephew.
"Operation Annihilate!" was filmed from 14 February to 22 February 1967. https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Operation_--_Annihilate!_(episode)
Craig Hundley/ Huxley who portrayed Peter Kirk was born 22 November 1954,. and his scenes as Peter were filmed on 15, 17, and 18 February 1967, when he was aged 12 years, 2 months, and 24 to 27 days.
It is possible that the scripts for "Operation Annihilate!" describe Peter Kirk's age, but so far as I know at the moment Peter Kirk had no official age and thus should considered to be about the age of his actor, and thus probably closer to 12 years old than 14..
Seven not appearing in a Starfleet uniform was only logical in-universe, as long as she hadn't chosen what she would do with her life. But why (still in-universe, of course) those ridiculous catsuits instead of just plain civilian clothing? It cannot have been very practical, even. Wearing those high heels when the ship is in mid-combat? Though undoubtedly they would have made up some bullshit excuse of her having Borg-improved body posturing/stability had the absurdity of it ever come to the writers' minds ...
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I love fan theories for these kind of things, but this might be a bit too far and leads to implications of misogynistic appeasement. I have no explanation for the high heels on Seven or Kira or any number of characters for whom it doesn't make sense, as high heels are always a pet peeve of mine. The only real world benefit of high heels are for accentuating one's beauty by drawing the gaze to certain areas of the body by the affect of one's posture and height, of course. It doesn't make sense for the two characters mentioned, and very little sense for others as well in an optimistic future. Trek may have, somehow, overcome the health consequences of said shoes, but I can't foresee any benefit outside of fashion. Perhaps Kira comes from a culture that recently overcame a caste system and maybe a sexist regime (more than 100 years prior, as they seem very equal-rights otherwise), and heels are still acceptable for women, even military women, but it still makes very little sense for her to wear them. But Seven is Borg, adopted by a Federation vessel. My mind can't fathom a reason for her footwear, even medically. But I digress...
Her first catsuit, the worst one, might make a little sense despite it's apparent impracticality. It's not fashionable, not appropriate, but that's a feature. She's wearing this tight-knit futuristic fabric as an aide to her regeneration properties. It does something to her skin, perhaps as an ongoing procedure to remove reliance on Borg technology. Perhaps restoring some of her skin cells that had atrophied, or maybe just allowing them nutrients in the hopes of restoring them to self-reliance. When she drops the metallic catsuit, that's when she's recovered. Her next ones (the similar colored purple and blue ones), might make some sense as to wearing something she's used to. Seven ought to have no care about how her body is displayed, form-fitting outfit or not, so she might be wearing "indecent" outfits without a care as to how they look to others. And the crew is egalitarian about the whole matter, letting her wear whatever when she was able.
My post isn't canon, but non-canon sources on Memory Beta does have Peter aged about 15. That seemed too old for me (and I was correct!), so I aged him down to 14 for my joke. I know that Peter's real age is unknown, but thanks for the "correction" to a completely unknown age for the character.
They even put Kes in catsuits and high heels during the last few episodes she was on Voyager. They must have felt pretty silly making all those new costumes for her and then she was written out of the show. The least they could have done would have been altering them for Harry to wear 
But I agree that of all the high heels in Star Trek (which , yes are annoying to begin with) the ones on Kira are the most ridiculous. It doesn't fit her character at all, or her position. Especially since no other female member of the Bajoran militia ever wore any.
But I agree that of all the high heels in Star Trek (which , yes are annoying to begin with) the ones on Kira are the most ridiculous. It doesn't fit her character at all, or her position. Especially since no other female member of the Bajoran militia ever wore any.
or maybe exactly the opposite. after years as a borg drone, seven began the process of self discovery. something she realized fairly quickly is that she was attractive. when she transitioned out of the suit that the doctor initially provided her with, she continued to wear form fitting outfits. because she personally liked the effect.
they make your ass look good.
Is it safe to say we've seen Riker standing on more ships than any other character? I've been thinking back, & it seems like that dude has been shown on a ton more different ships than anybody else. Hell, his most recent appearance even includes a new one.
Like if you took a screencap of every different ship he's been shown on, it might be a few dozen
Like if you took a screencap of every different ship he's been shown on, it might be a few dozen
I believe it was only Tom Riker who appeared on DS9. I don't think Will was ever on. (I'm assuming that @Mojochi was referring to the latter in his post.)
But even if you strike the Defiant, cuz that was Tom & the NX-01, because it was a holodeck program or whatever, but you factor in every other ship, like the Pegasus, The Zheng He, The Hathaway, or even the IKS Pagh, & 1st Borg cube etc... Just that we've seen, he's been on dozens upon dozens of different space ships. Hell, even the original Cochrane Phoenix counts
I don't know if I'd have the wherewithall to count them all, but he has to hold the record for any character
I don't know if I'd have the wherewithall to count them all, but he has to hold the record for any character
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