Other than Fred in Episode 1, and being a follow-up to "The Chase", I'm not seeing it.
EDIT: Oh. I clicked on the image. I think 99.999% of viewers wouldn't pick up on that. I wouldn't call it TNG's Greatest Hits. I'd call it TNG's Deep Cuts.
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EDIT: Oh. I clicked on the image. I think 99.999% of viewers wouldn't pick up on that. I wouldn't call it TNG's Greatest Hits. I'd call it TNG's Deep Cuts.
In "Under the Twin Moons", we have a "Booby Trap" callback with the Promellians, and that planet had shades of "The Arsenal of Freedom".
Yeah, see my edit. I'd call it TNG's Deep Cuts.
EDITED TO ADD: Someone's going to freak out. Or several someones. The anti-fan-servicers. For people in that category, these things are going to go over your head unnoticed, if you don't know what they are.
Yeah, see my edit. I'd call it TNG's Deep Cuts.
EDITED TO ADD: Someone's going to freak out. Or several someones. The anti-fan-servicers. For people in that category, these things are going to go over your head unnoticed, if you don't know what they are.
I personally love both episodes (particularly "The Arsenal of Freedom" because it utilized everyone very, very well) and would put them in a Greatest Hits category... but I can see why many would think of them as Deep Cuts, since both episodes aren't given the spotlight the way episodes like "The Inner Light", "Yesterday's Enterprise", or "The Best of Both Worlds" are given.
It's an oddly worded scene.
(Riker joins Troi at the back.)
TROI: Is he nervous?
RIKER: Wouldn't you be?
TROI: Oh, he'll be fine. I had to memorise this speech in grammar school. You wish you could tell them all that this alliance will give birth to the Federation.
RIKER: I think I'm ready to talk to Captain Picard. I should have done it a long time ago.
TROI: So, I guess we're through here.
RIKER: I guess we are. Computer, end programme.
I take that as being a bit less literal. I don't Troi is saying "Hey, don't you wish you could tell these people here at the founding ceremony of the Federation and this will give birth to the Federation?", but rather speaking a bit more abstractly that what they are doing right there, at that moment, will give birth the Federation as it is in Troi's time, what it becomes.
It's also possible that it's not "The United Federation of Planets" just yet. They have the logo and stuff, but there may have been an interim proposal somewhere in between the Coalition and the Federation that was short lived.
As for the DSC stuff, i'm ok with them going on a TNG's greatest hits tour. It's... a weird setting for it, but whatever. I have appreciated that the longer DSC goes, the less inclined they are to "visually update" everything, or at least in drastic ways. The Romulan Scout Ship was perfect. It wasn't EXACTLY the TNG ship, but it was the shape of the TNG ship just with some more details on it. And 24th century Romulans looked like... 24th century Romulans.
This kind of pleasant callback that doesn't feel like fanboys playing in the sandbox is welcome.Yeah, see my edit. I'd call it TNG's Deep Cuts.
EDITED TO ADD: Someone's going to freak out. Or several someones. The anti-fan-servicers. For people in that category, these things are going to go over your head unnoticed, if you don't know what they are.
We saw both the drone battle from Arsenal of Freedom, as well as the bubble capture setting.
The Promelians from Booby Trap. Lang Cycle fusion reference, etc.
Fred the Soong Android. They reversed the Most Toys and had the android acquiring collectibles... Brilliant.
The Selay from Lonely Among Us.
The Trill in next week's episode first appeared in TNG.
Yes, it's just texture to the world, not the whole house.
I think we are having references to tng/ds9/voy since the third season, even the second if we consider Nhan as a reference, but they were just that, references. But now it's not a reference, it's part of the plot and it's interesting
There's a narrative that Discovery ignores callbacks. Any look back on YouTube for Easter egg videos from the show would demonstrate its not true. I think the difference is they have a lot more fresh aspects to the show than Lower Decks or Picard season 3.
ON the issue of why it's so important. We know from the chase that they left clues in a. few dozens species scattered between at the various least the alpha and Beta Quadrant.
But it never explicitly states those are the only species that were seeded, or how vast their seeding was.
In Discovery they out and out state its all humanoid life in the Galaxy (with of course the caveat it would only be races that they are aware that exists, or its simply hyperbole.
If its legitimate it also means that not only do they have advance and long term genetic coding and with us seeing how dramatic external influence on our own world helped shape our rise it seems they planned for the eventuality of any dominant species having the ability to be humanoid (which even plays out in the Voyager episode Distant Origin that we discover another humanoid dominant species developed based on an entirely different genetic tree). But it also means this race was able to travel the galaxy on what would we assume be a fairly easy way. So clearly their tech shouldn't be limited to simply genetics. If the meaning is accurate about seeding all humid like life, they they had empires larger than the T'Kon or Iconian races. And I am sure they could fully uncover those races secrets it would be a big deal.
But it never explicitly states those are the only species that were seeded, or how vast their seeding was.
In Discovery they out and out state its all humanoid life in the Galaxy (with of course the caveat it would only be races that they are aware that exists, or its simply hyperbole.
If its legitimate it also means that not only do they have advance and long term genetic coding and with us seeing how dramatic external influence on our own world helped shape our rise it seems they planned for the eventuality of any dominant species having the ability to be humanoid (which even plays out in the Voyager episode Distant Origin that we discover another humanoid dominant species developed based on an entirely different genetic tree). But it also means this race was able to travel the galaxy on what would we assume be a fairly easy way. So clearly their tech shouldn't be limited to simply genetics. If the meaning is accurate about seeding all humid like life, they they had empires larger than the T'Kon or Iconian races. And I am sure they could fully uncover those races secrets it would be a big deal.
I thought it could be inferred by the original message. The Progenitor mentions that they found themselves to be alone in the galaxy and they went about seeding their DNA.
The Voth still shared quite a few genetic markers with humans. It's how everyone figured out both Voth and humans were from Earth. It seems like the Progenitors DNA mostly results in bipedal humanoids... they can still vary wildly in genetics. We can see it displayed with the Xindi.
I have a feeling that DSC may go further though. We generally understood that the seeding resulted in bipedal humanoid races, but the Progenitor did note they were alone. I think DSC may lean more into that the Progenitors essentially created ALL (or most) intelligent life.
I just thought of this now, but with the links to PIC, it makes me wonder if they is any connection to the Extra-Dimensional artificial life from PIC, or at the very least at some point interaction with the Progenitors. Even if they weren't contemporaries of each other, the Reaper aliens should probably view the Progenitors as their greatest enemy ever.
There's a Xindi-Insectoid serving on the Discovery in the 3190s.
EOE laws strike again.
If they have any SNW cast on the ISS Enterprise, that would be a massive secret that they've managed to keep so far! I'd love it but have some doubts.
Based on what we saw I don't think we'll see any living crew members. Maybe they'll come across a log or something.
The Progenitors are an extremely old and, hence, presumably super advanced race in all aspects, not just DNA manipulation. Shoot, you should see their garbage disposal technology. The wrong setting can wipe out an entire planet!
Although, I do wonder if the Mirror Universe version of the Progenitors created the Tantulus device, maybe not to get rid of people but for some other benign reason. Or maybe not benign given they're in the MU! Regardless, the ISS Enterprise might have a hint about where mirror Kirk found the Tantulus device, which might come into play.
I'd lean towards that as well. Possibly a viewscreen cameo.
Maybe it's another race using Progenitor technology.
Yeah, Seasons 3 and 4 brought back a few races that haven't been seen in a while.
Coridanites, redesigned Xindi, Lurians, the Akaali etc
heavy emphasis on ENT species interestingly.
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