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Sounds good to me.
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I have a feeling my board participation is going to decline considerably. I don't think I can take a full frigging year of people posting the most inane & fanwanky speculations imaginable, talking endlessly about the Calypso tie-in that must be, and clamoring about a Pike series.
I'm sorry. I'm just in a pissy mood. The more I think about this "go the the future" thing, the more irritated I get.
I'm sorry. I'm just in a pissy mood. The more I think about this "go the the future" thing, the more irritated I get.
Refuge is just doing what she does best, which is to passive-aggressively bait people into arguments in the hopes of getting people riled up enough that mods get involved. She feed off peoples irritation.
Where u hail from? I'm looking on getting some DISCO merchandise too!. Get back to me before you buy, I may be able to get it cheaper. But it may be spelt DICSO LOL!
I've got to tell you....
I've sat on this for some time, and I'm actually really pretty upset about this whole "going to the future" thing.
I really enjoyed Star Trek: Discovery. The first two seasons were flawed, and yet still established themselves as my (now) second favorite Trek series (which is saying a lot, because nothing will ever unseat TOS). I liked how it tied to the TOS backstory and characters. It was unique, where most of the other shows deliberately tried to avoid this period...DSC embraced it and dove right into it...often lovingly enriching the source material.
Moreover, Star Trek's appeal to me is in large part the setting. The Federation, Starfleet, Klingons, Neutral Zones, Star Bases, etc. If we jump to the 76th Century or whatever they're doing, it could be any other Space Adventures Series. Just because they have a ship that has a saucer and two engine thingies sticking out, and they wear arrowheads on their uniforms....I'm not sure that's enough. It's one of the key reasons Voyager didn't appeal to me. I missed the Star Trek setting.
I guess I don't know who to be more angry with:
1. The detractors...for mercilessly pushing their agenda? People get heated in debates about Trek...but then there are the people who literally are pushing an agenda to transform the destiny of the show. Whether it's cancelling it or changing the creative choices, they figure if you post enough, and loudly and enough people "follow" you, you can change the history of the franchise. And I've always found that shitty. People criticize why fans say "if you don't like it, don't watch" as a tiresome mantra? Well...honestly...this is why. Because it's kinda shitty for the people who actually were happy watching what was, by our estimation, just fine the way it was.
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2. The producers...for actually listening to the idiots? I've always said that the minute a coach starts listening to the fans about what plays to call, who to draft, and which players are going to start...they are done. Dead in the water. Kurtzman basically did EXACTLY that, by my read of what's been said and what's happened. And, I'm the guy who sat in disbelief as it slowly unfolded, having been quoted on here several times saying that there's no way in hell that the writers/producers will listen to fan input to creative choices (wrong AGAIN, V'Ger23!). But, by all appearances, that is precisely what they did. I'm beside myself.
Anyway, I'm bummed for what potentially could be the loss of my favorite Star Trek show (TOS aside) to an over-reaction / panic bowing to the relentless and vocal minority of criticisms. I wish they had spent that time and energy tightening up the writer's room, solidifying their arc and character development, and putting together another step-improvement from S2 to S3...having faith in their current format and in their fans who have enjoyed and supported the work already done. Focusing on improving the writing process and staying in the consistent and familiar territory they had already established could have made S3 something really spectacular.
As it stands now, it kinda feels like they had no faith in those of us who watched the show and enjoyed it. It feels more like they'd rather have Doomcock and Midnight's Edge and their followers as subscribers.
Sorry for the over-reaction. I'm sure I'll love every min of S3...but right now I'm feeling a little stung,.
I've sat on this for some time, and I'm actually really pretty upset about this whole "going to the future" thing.
I really enjoyed Star Trek: Discovery. The first two seasons were flawed, and yet still established themselves as my (now) second favorite Trek series (which is saying a lot, because nothing will ever unseat TOS). I liked how it tied to the TOS backstory and characters. It was unique, where most of the other shows deliberately tried to avoid this period...DSC embraced it and dove right into it...often lovingly enriching the source material.
Moreover, Star Trek's appeal to me is in large part the setting. The Federation, Starfleet, Klingons, Neutral Zones, Star Bases, etc. If we jump to the 76th Century or whatever they're doing, it could be any other Space Adventures Series. Just because they have a ship that has a saucer and two engine thingies sticking out, and they wear arrowheads on their uniforms....I'm not sure that's enough. It's one of the key reasons Voyager didn't appeal to me. I missed the Star Trek setting.
I guess I don't know who to be more angry with:
1. The detractors...for mercilessly pushing their agenda? People get heated in debates about Trek...but then there are the people who literally are pushing an agenda to transform the destiny of the show. Whether it's cancelling it or changing the creative choices, they figure if you post enough, and loudly and enough people "follow" you, you can change the history of the franchise. And I've always found that shitty. People criticize why fans say "if you don't like it, don't watch" as a tiresome mantra? Well...honestly...this is why. Because it's kinda shitty for the people who actually were happy watching what was, by our estimation, just fine the way it was.
or
2. The producers...for actually listening to the idiots? I've always said that the minute a coach starts listening to the fans about what plays to call, who to draft, and which players are going to start...they are done. Dead in the water. Kurtzman basically did EXACTLY that, by my read of what's been said and what's happened. And, I'm the guy who sat in disbelief as it slowly unfolded, having been quoted on here several times saying that there's no way in hell that the writers/producers will listen to fan input to creative choices (wrong AGAIN, V'Ger23!). But, by all appearances, that is precisely what they did. I'm beside myself.
Anyway, I'm bummed for what potentially could be the loss of my favorite Star Trek show (TOS aside) to an over-reaction / panic bowing to the relentless and vocal minority of criticisms. I wish they had spent that time and energy tightening up the writer's room, solidifying their arc and character development, and putting together another step-improvement from S2 to S3...having faith in their current format and in their fans who have enjoyed and supported the work already done. Focusing on improving the writing process and staying in the consistent and familiar territory they had already established could have made S3 something really spectacular.
As it stands now, it kinda feels like they had no faith in those of us who watched the show and enjoyed it. It feels more like they'd rather have Doomcock and Midnight's Edge and their followers as subscribers.
Sorry for the over-reaction. I'm sure I'll love every min of S3...but right now I'm feeling a little stung,.
Dude I'm still on a newbie account, got a week left of my probation. "I'll be back"!
Are you engaging yourself in a discussion here?
IMO, if the producers were so desperate for Midnight's Edge and Doomcock's followers DISCO would be done and they'd have already announced it. The Pike show would have already been greenlit and they'd have announced it will be oldschool episodic Trek from here on in forever to appease them. Hasn't been the case. And until someone from the writer's room validates any of the rumors with cold hard facts, i'm happy to imagine the idiots have had no effect on the overall plans.
Anyone who takes Doomcock or Midnight's Edge seriously is out of their mind. Listen to the name: Doomcock! It sounds so stupid when someone says, "Listen to what I heard from Doomcock!" I'm sure that sounds like a cool name to somenone who's 15, but if you're in your 30s or 40s (like I assume he is), it just makes him look like a stupid manchild.
There was a video listed in my feed from Midnight's Edge about how there were delays in the production of the Picard Series. Which is bullshit. They started shooting today. I'm sure there's going to be all kinds of crazy wacky spin from them about both series. Twice as much "fun" now. Yay.
I already have the DISCO T-shirt. I've had it for months. I don't need to buy another one.
There was a video listed in my feed from Midnight's Edge about how there were delays in the production of the Picard Series. Which is bullshit. They started shooting today. I'm sure there's going to be all kinds of crazy wacky spin from them about both series. Twice as much "fun" now. Yay.
I already have the DISCO T-shirt. I've had it for months. I don't need to buy another one.
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This is the worst thing about social media. Anyone can start up a channel and be vocal. And they can get Patreon and then suddenly everyone like-minded is watching. Then we have posters who say "This is what this YouTube Channel said! This is what that YouTube Channel said!" I think it's very disturbing that someone makes it their agenda in life to bring down a TV series.
Yes. This is a problem. It's one thing to make changes to something that's universally panned. If people were subscribing, most of them were liking what they were seeing, and that's something else. So they are catering to a minority now, who won't stop there.
It's problematic when I say, "Yes! Now I don't have to deal with these debates anymore!" Because it means I'm not talking about the show, I'm talking about those detractors.
Sure, I can see story reasons for jumping forward in time. But I'm not going to be convinced that caving in had absolutely nothing do with it. The best I can hope for is that it was more for story reasons than it was caving in. I'd like to think that. I don't know if I actually believe it, so much as I just want it to be the case.
Which is a total waste of time because it's not just Discovery. Now they're making shit up about the Picard Series. I think they don't like Star Trek in any form. TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY, ENT, DSC, the Abrams Films, it doesn't matter.
I think Midnight's Edge tapped into the Angry Fanboy niche of Trek Fandom because they saw it was there, and then exploited it for their maximum advantage. "We'll say we love the Old School stuff, like TOS and TNG, then trash everything that came out afterwards! Everything! They'll eat it up because it's what they want to hear and they'll keep coming back for more." I don't think they actually even like Old Trek but saying so is a good way to get "Tru Fans" behind them.
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Gotta get that money, bruh.
I've already expressed my disdain about the third season jumping so far into the future. 
But as a lifelong Trek fan, I will at the very least give it a gander when it airs.
They are going to have to really, really impress me though, to keep me watching and get me to resubscribe.
But as a lifelong Trek fan, I will at the very least give it a gander when it airs.
They are going to have to really, really impress me though, to keep me watching and get me to resubscribe.
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