Spoilers General Disco Chat Thread

[Lord Garth]

when people say the beige and muted colors of the TNG era made it feel too cold and sterile but then DSC is just gray
gray
gray
and more gray

@Hey Missy I'm not going to say there isn't a lot of gray but there's also a lot of brown in the interior of Discovery. Especially the bridge and the Captain's office. If anything, I'd say the interior color-scheme of Discovery is more reminiscent of the Enterprise-E.

As I noted, the funny thing is even when people are wearing casual clothing (like Culber was this past week) they just wear black, grey, and other neutrals.

Honestly, I kinda preferred the godawful way people dressed in TNG. Future fashion styles aren't necessarily going to look attractive to us.

I don't miss the TNG civilian clothes, but I agree with your sentiment. Hell, look at how people have reacted to the latest fashions in the 20th and 21st Centuries. "Can you believe that? What are they wearing?" And that's just today. Forget about the future.

 

[fireproof78]

As I noted, the funny thing is even when people are wearing casual clothing (like Culber was this past week) they just wear black, grey, and other neutrals.

Honestly, I kinda preferred the godawful way people dressed in TNG. Future fashion styles aren't necessarily going to look attractive to us.

No thank you. I'll take the neutrals.

 

[Lord Garth]

I'm guessing the next four episodes are:

2x11. Flashback to what Really happened when Burnham was a kid (thanks Trailer!)
2x12. We see the Klingons again "now" (as opposed to flashback like the previous episode)
2x13. The Enterprise features in this episode. Maybe she shows up at the end of 2x12.
2x14. Discovery is abandoned and "Calypso" will finally make sense.

 

[Cyrus]

The writers/director team for 2x12 is the same as 2x06 "The Sound of Thunder" and the Short Trek "The Brightest Star". So it could be a return to Kaminar.

 

[F. King Daniel]

"V'Derash" is the future version of "Wypipo"

 

[XCV330]

As I noted, the funny thing is even when people are wearing casual clothing (like Culber was this past week) they just wear black, grey, and other neutrals.

Honestly, I kinda preferred the godawful way people dressed in TNG. Future fashion styles aren't necessarily going to look attractive to us.

There has to be some better option, though. TNG-DS9-Voyager era casual clothing looked like a 90's Joann Fabrics store became a living thing and started excreting out Butterick patterned remnant specials from a thousand haunted demo Singer machines. I sometimes thought DS9 costuming deliberately were trying to make Quark look like Herb Tarlac from WKRP. Hmm.. maybe that's not totally off.

I don't mind the civilian clothes in Discovery though some color wouldn't hurt. I just think they're kind of designed to not stand out much. It's hard to design "future" clothes that don't look too stuck in the present, whenever that present happens to be, or else silly. Bad risky costuming can kill your production. SciFi's 2001 Dune miniseries is notorious for how awful the costumes are (supposedly the original designer left just before production and took her designs with her, leaving them scrambling and kul wahad it shows). It was all the more jarring as comparisons were automatically going to be done between it and Lynch's film which happened to have gorgeous costuming, some of the best in any fantasy or sci fi movie, in my opinion.

On the safer side, The Expanse takes place roughly in the same time period as Star Trek and goes very conservative with civilian and military costuming, and it works well enough. This follows a trend for some time with future shows going the safe route, like Caprica, BSG, Firefly, etc. Farscape was a bit more daring but it's in rare territory, there.

 

[Unimatrix Q]

I guess during the next episode we might finally see some augment Klingons again...

 

[SJGardner]

I don't mind the civilian clothes in Discovery though some color wouldn't hurt. I just think they're kind of designed to not stand out much. It's hard to design "future" clothes that don't look too stuck in the present, whenever that present happens to be, or else silly. Bad risky costuming can kill your production. SciFi's 2001 Dune miniseries is notorious for how awful the costumes are (supposedly the original designer left just before production and took her designs with her, leaving them scrambling and kul wahad it shows). It was all the more jarring as comparisons were automatically going to be done between it and Lynch's film which happened to have gorgeous costuming, some of the best in any fantasy or sci fi movie, in my opinion.

On the safer side, The Expanse takes place roughly in the same time period as Star Trek and goes very conservative with civilian and military costuming, and it works well enough. This follows a trend for some time with future shows going the safe route, like Caprica, BSG, Firefly, etc. Farscape was a bit more daring but it's in rare territory, there.

Personally, I liked Babylon 5's approach the best. Of course, it was mainly driven by their shoestring budget, but the subtle alterations they did to civilian clothes (suit jackets with the lapels cut off and the rest of the collar fastened to the shoulders, collarless dress shirts with the occasional pattern etc.) worked perfectly for me. There are many elements in that series that immediately date it to the early-to-mid-90s, but civilian fashions aren't one of them.

 

[XCV330]

Personally, I liked Babylon 5's approach the best. Of course, it was mainly driven by their shoestring budget, but the subtle alterations they did to civilian clothes (suit jackets with the lapels cut off and the rest of the collar fastened to the shoulders, collarless dress shirts with the occasional pattern etc.) worked perfectly for me. There are many elements in that series that immediately date it to the early-to-mid-90s, but civilian fashions aren't one of them.

thats true. I forgot about that. I guess working in constraints like that can sometimes bring some ingenuity to the table. Now if Discovery will adopt the color uniforms and drop those running-shoe boots, I'll be happy. In terms of civies, I did like Baron Grimes and Stella Grime's clothing, as well as Burnham's recent outfit.

 

[SJGardner]

thats true. I forgot about that. I guess working in constraints like that can sometimes bring some ingenuity to the table. Now if Discovery will adopt the color uniforms and drop those running-shoe boots, I'll be happy. In terms of civies, I did like Baron Grimes and Stella Grime's clothing, as well as Burnham's recent outfit.

I never had a problem with the blue uniforms as costumes, though I wish they had the sleeve stripes to better identify ranks. I wouldn't mind seeing more of the color uniforms, even though I'm not quite sold yet on the metallic red stripes for the redshirts.

 

[XCV330]

I never had a problem with the blue uniforms as costumes, though I wish they had the sleeve stripes to better identify ranks. I wouldn't mind seeing more of the color uniforms, even though I'm not quite sold yet on the metallic red stripes for the redshirts.

I like the blue uniforms alright, though personally I think they would have looked better with black trousers and unobtrusive boots. The tactical version of the uniform looks better, and the very rarely seen alternate version seems pretty good too. There's too much branding of the starfleet arrow too. Another Fullerism? I'm suprised the Trill seen in season 1 didn't have starfleet arrows for her spots.

I agree with rank stripes. It's too difficult to discern rank by staring awkwardly at everyone's chest.

 

[SJGardner]

There's too much branding of the starfleet arrow too.

One of the main reasons why those boots look weird to me is because even they have shiny metal arrowhead boot buckles. And, of course, because they look a bit too heavy for a light and form-fitting service uniform.

 

[Succubint]

Reading that article about the Paley Fest panel makes me really appreciate the cast. SMG sounds like such a warm, inclusive person. I wish the internet would get off her damned back, but she seems to be taking everything in her stride. I think it's great they're so supportive of each other - I loved the tidbit about them supporting the bridge crew when they have other acting projects in town.

 

[Discofan]

One of the main reasons why those boots look weird to me is because even they have shiny metal arrowhead boot buckles. And, of course, because they look a bit too heavy for a light and form-fitting service uniform.

These boots are meant for walking...

 

[SJGardner]

These boots are meant for walking...

Maybe I should stop criticizing them because one of these days they're gonna walk all over me.

 

[DaveyNY]

Maybe I should stop criticizing them because one of these days they're gonna walk all over me.

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[Jackson_Roykirk]

2x14. Discovery is abandoned and "Calypso" will finally make sense.

Personally, I don't think the incident that results in the abandoned Discovery we see in Calypso is necessarily something the showrunners intentionally intend to happen during the planned run of this particular series.

What I mean is that maybe Calypso is a 100% stand-alone episode that the producers never intended to have related back to the series. Maybe whatever happens that makes the crew abandon Discovery won't happen for another 10 years past the current Discovery time frame, and happens to a mostly different crew than the characters who are on this show.

There is nothing in Calypso that says it was Burnham, Saru, Stamets, Tilly, et al who abandoned the Discovery 1000 years earlier.

Of course, just because it may not currently be the long-term plan of the series to show why the ship becomes the abandoned one we see in Calypso, that doesn't mean the showrunners won't change course and go that direction.

 

[Galaxy]

What I mean is that maybe Calypso is a 100% stand-alone episode that the producers never intended to have related back to the series. Maybe whatever happens that makes the crew abandon Discovery won't happen for another 10 years (...) There is nothing in Calypso that says it was Burnham, Saru, Stamets, Tilly, et al who abandoned the Discovery 1000 years earlier.

Personally I would consider that to be a huge letdown.

 

[Lord Garth]

Waiting to see how all of this plays out has made me the most interested I've ever been in a season finale. It's like a game of Clue.

What I mean is that maybe Calypso is a 100% stand-alone episode that the producers never intended to have related back to the series.

Maybe, but "The Brightest Star" tied back.

 

[eschaton]

Personally I would consider that to be a huge letdown.

And I would consider a horrendous destruction of one of the best character stories in the history of modern trek to awkwardly transform it into the epitome of fankwank.

I mean, would The Inner Light have been better if we had a sequel where it's shown that Picard's flute has Clarketech abilities, and he can play it and be transported anywhere in space and time? No, it would destroy a sweet little story about human relationships.

Calypso was about the relationship between Craft and Zora. The little glimpses of the future of the Trekverse were just meant as flavor, not as plot. Indeed, my understanding is when Chabon came up with the story idea he picked 1,000 years in the future at random, and Kurtzman was like "sure, okay."

Trek is a framework which can be used to tell any story, which is part of its beauty. If everything in modern Trek is woven together to be part of a single story, the fictional world becomes much smaller and more tawdry.