It shouldn't be funny but...
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It shouldn't be funny but...
Is it just me or is Saru's sister kind of hot?
Well, I'm a baguette, so it's hard to say, but she evokes just as much emotion as Doug Jones does. Fantastic performance.
Hannah Spear is gorgeous. The kind of gorgeous no amount of makeup & prosthetics can hide.
She's positively delicious. Roast Kelpian under glass with fois-kelpian liver pate on crispy fried ganglia. Oh wait.. I mean I am Prime Me. I don't know what I was just talking about. It's these damned bright lights.
You make me think of that Japanese guy who kept pieces of his fiancee in his fridge. He was quite notorious in the 1990s. Sort of like the Japanese Charles Manson.
No, more like Japanese Jeffrey Dahmer.
Perhaps you've immersed yourself in the mycelial network and are in contact with your mirror universe self.
Aren't we all in contact with our mirror universe selves, every now and then?
Now that we know the Kelpians are the predator species rather than the prey, I wonder what the dynamic was between the Ba'ul and Kelpians in the Mirror Universe and if it still went down the same way. Maybe the Ba'ul never achieved warp in their universe, or did and were immediately absorbed into the Terran Empire.
Maybe in the MU Georgiou considers it like turnabout is fair play to feast on Kelpians since they also feasted on another sapient species. Not that it makes either of them right to do so, but it would add some interesting context to the situation.
There's quite a bit more to Season 2 than I initially realized. There were a lot of moving parts involved just to get us to where we are at the end of the sixth episode.
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I gotta say that Star Trek: Discovery finally grew on me with that last episode. The writing's stronger than in Season 1 (especially the first half of S1), and the current season is also much more "Trek-like" while still retaining its own style. I can say that I'm looking forward to the rest of the season.
At the same time however, I've come to regard Discovery as a reboot or "reimagination" in the same mold the 2000s version of BSG was a reboot of the 70s original, no matter what the producers or writers Discovery say to the contrary:
- the weird-looking Klingons without any in-universe explanation like the Augment virus (granted, that alone wouldn't be sufficient to treat it as a separate continuity considering that they had done exactly the same in the TOS movie era as well)
- technology that is much more advanced than the 24th century we know let alone the 23rd: spore drives, widespread use of 3-D holo-communication devices etc.
- Spock having grown up with a human adopted sister, while Sybok apparently doesn't exist
- Section 31 being public knowledge among Starfleet officers, while Archer and Sisko weren't even aware of that organization in the beginning... also, the Section 31 of the Discovery universe apparently isn't the "autonomous" organization which doesn't report to anyone we had known from DS9/ENT, since they did seem to recognize the authority of Admiral Cornwell to give them orders.
At the same time however, I've come to regard Discovery as a reboot or "reimagination" in the same mold the 2000s version of BSG was a reboot of the 70s original, no matter what the producers or writers Discovery say to the contrary:
- the weird-looking Klingons without any in-universe explanation like the Augment virus (granted, that alone wouldn't be sufficient to treat it as a separate continuity considering that they had done exactly the same in the TOS movie era as well)
- technology that is much more advanced than the 24th century we know let alone the 23rd: spore drives, widespread use of 3-D holo-communication devices etc.
- Spock having grown up with a human adopted sister, while Sybok apparently doesn't exist
- Section 31 being public knowledge among Starfleet officers, while Archer and Sisko weren't even aware of that organization in the beginning... also, the Section 31 of the Discovery universe apparently isn't the "autonomous" organization which doesn't report to anyone we had known from DS9/ENT, since they did seem to recognize the authority of Admiral Cornwell to give them orders.
huh? where does that come from? why would Sybok not exist?
DSC is 100 years after ENT, and 100 years before DS9, a lot can happen in that time.
Headcanon holds great power with that one.
As you indicated, welcome to 1979 (TMP) and 1987 (TNG) where we got re-imagined Klingons with no in-universe explanation as to their re-imagining. It did cause a little stir in 1979, but fans quickly stopped caring and realized "new makeup, but no in-universe change" was a good enough explanation.....That is until 2005, when ENT felt it was no longer a good enough explanation, much to the chagrin of a lot of Trek fans.
The spore drive -- I suspect -- will have in-universe reasons for its future use to be forbidden or made no longer possible. They seem to be already setting an explanation up for why it is isn't used or common knowledge in TOS, TNG, etc (and, BTW, it isn't even common knowledge during the DIS era).
Holograms are already hinted at being dealt with by Pike mentioning (in An Obol for Charon) how he thinks the people all look like ghosts and has ordered all of the holographic communicatioin devices to be ripped out of Enterprise.
Perhaps holo-communicators were a brief fad for a few years aound 2256 while Starfleet tried out the technology, but many ship captains -- just like Pike -- begin to not use them, and actually tearing them out, resulting in holo-communication quickly falling out of favor with Starfleet ships, and their eventual disuse for a several decades.
The rest of the "more advanced-looking tech" could be chalked up to set dressings for a show made today, just like the TMP and TNG changing in Klingon were (at least at the time) just chalked up to better makeup.
The same Spock who told nothing to his best friend about his parents until the events in Journey to Babel forced his hand -- even after they visited Vulcan once before in Amok Time.
And as Hythlodeus mentions above, why wouldn't Sybok exist? While he did live with Sarek, Amanda, and Spock as a child, he was a brother from a different mother, so perhaps as a young teen he went off to some Vulcan boarding school (or something) by the time we see the flashbacks to Burnham's and Spock's childhood. Or maybe he was there somewhere during that time, but had no reason to be part of the flashbacks. I never felt that Spock and Sybok were very "brotherly" growing up considering how he never talked about Sybok with Kirk until ST:FF, and if they weren't that brotherly, then I suspect neither were Burnham and Sybok.
As I said recently in another thread, perhaps Section 31 was much more secretive and autonomous during the ENT era, but Starfleet eventually gained purview and control over S31 during the DIS era sometime since ENT. Then between now and the DS9 era, S31 will begin to once again become more secretive.
The officers who knew about them will mostly retire from Starfleet or die off over the next few decades. Those older Starfleet officers who know of Section 31 are possibly instructed to no longer talk about the group, so the younger generation of officers don’t have the knowledge of them.
Also sometime prior to the DS9 era, the leadership of S31 wrestles control of the group from direct Starfleet control, and once again gains the autonomy it had in the ENT days.
It really isn't that difficult to use these explanations or other "head canon" to help keep the continuity between DIS and the other series. It doesn't take mental gymnastics, just a little imagination. We fans never needed the series to overtly explain every background story or canon connection for us. We did just fine ourselves using similar imaginative means to create our own explanations for the "apparent inconsistencies" between the TNG era and TOS, and even between the TOS movies and TOS.
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Because that's the impression the show gave me so far.
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