Spoilers General Disco Chat Thread

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Discovery' started by Lord Garth, Jul 6, 2018.

  1. Turtletrekker

    Turtletrekker Admiral Admiral

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    I remember that as well. That Picard was French did not go unnoticed.
     
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  2. Disco!Disco!

    Disco!Disco! Commander Red Shirt

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    Could anyone imagine TNG going to Planet Gangster or Planet Nazi?
     
  3. fireproof78

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    Just planet Africa and planet Irish.
     
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  4. Lord Garth

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    You just had to mention that as I was about to get back into my TNG Rewatch. Thanks!

    Progress: I skipped Season 1 (or I would've given up again) and started with Season 2. I made it up to "The Royale". Picking it up where I left off.
     
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  5. Disco!Disco!

    Disco!Disco! Commander Red Shirt

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    HAHAHAHAHAHA

    *claps*
     
  6. Donker

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    It doesn't matter to you and the other Discovery fanboys here or Steve Shives. It does matter to a lot of the fandom. I'm not one to care about Holograms, I think the Klingons look fantastic here beside their clone tool/greeble 500% ships (and I would have liked to see some Augments here and there in TOS inspired Klingon uniforms), but there are canon things that do piss me off and do imo negatively impact the series.

    The Spock/Burnham shit just comes off as tedious fanfiction fanwank and makes the universe way more smaller that it needs to be, Trek was already too small in other shows (Trillion people in the federation 150 core member worlds but the entire Starfleet is borderline completely crippled when a whole 40 ships get destroyed and it will take years to recover.. wut) and here it's even smaller. Section 31 retconning is done insultingly bad and just a slap into the face of what much of the fandom loves about Star Trek and the Federation as a sheer concept, the show not taking on an updated TOS style aesthetic is a massive missed opportunity to give it a unique flair compared to the rest of the generic blue/orange/silver (muh DVD cover colour theory!) of current sci-fi.

    So would I, too bad Discovery's writing at best is like a average episode of Voyager on methamphetamine.
     
  7. Alan Roi

    Alan Roi Commodore Commodore

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    If so much of fandom want's their headcanon Trek or nothing, then I guess many will get nothing. But that's their choice.

    Its not the sixties anymore, nor is it the nineties anymore. We aren't getting Voyager 'it was just a drea' fanfiction like the old days that some seem to desire. And considering how much valium was pumped into the series back then seemed to be on, I suppose it must be hard to follow a show that just runs at normal speed for 2019.

    I mean, I'm not young by any means, but its curious how so many people just can't seem to keep up enough to follow fairly straightforward TV whereas an oldster like me has not a like of trouble following either the narratives, camera work or the pacing.
     
  8. Lapis Exilis

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    How do you figure? I can name a dozen major inconsistencies between series or within series without much effort. Spock smiling in The Cage, but then being devoted to logic and rejection of emotion for the rest of TOS. Uniform difference between The Cage, Where No Man Had Gone Before and the rest of TOS. Klingons in TOS versus the entire rest of Star Trek beginning with the Motion Picture, Starfleet Command in place in ENT, but TOS referring to Space Command and Spacefleet Command up until the episode Court Martial. Trills not having spots in TNG,but having spots in DS9, Odon wanting to stay with Beverly in The Host, but Trills forbidden to continue romantic relationships from host to host in Rejoined. And hey, Number One sure looked an awful lot like Nurse Chapel in TOS. That's just off the top of my head.

    A novel is generally the work of single author. Trek, like mythology, is the work of numerous authors, separated by space and time, working off of each other's creations. I can't lie to you, I am baffled by some fans' upset over inconsistencies, retcons, and "canon violations". Trek manages to stay alive because, like mythology, it can be updated and translated into new ages and for new generations.
     
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  9. fireproof78

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    Well put. I think the mythology is a great example as not only can mythology be updated for the times, but the stories can take on new significance not necessarily meant by the original authors. That is the power of myth in that it can take on new form as it ages.
     
  10. Midquest

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    So discussion in the Renewal thread got me wondering: whatever happened with this?

     
  11. Lord Garth

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    If they weren't trying to draw attention to it, they did their job a little too well. Unless you're counting in the background on "Magic to Make the Sanest Man Go Mad".

    I think they could have a female/female relationship on DSC, but since Berg and Harberts are off the show, then whatever they specifically had in mind is null and void. Otherwise, you'd think we'd have seen whatever they were trying to set up by now, and with who. We're almost half-way into the season.
     
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  12. Midquest

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    I wonder how closely the original outline for the season was adhered to once Berg and Harberts left? I would have thought it would remain largely unchanged, given that Kurtzman remained involved, but perhaps it moved in a different direction. I can't wait for the behind-the-scenes tell-all book in a decade or four. ;)

    If there is still a couple we're unaware of, and we're limiting things to bridge officers only (which the Harberts quote seems to suggest), then the couple would almost have to be Owo and Detmer, which I could totally see working. I know people have also suggested Tilly and May, which I suppose technically began last season...but that would be a hell of a creepy way to start a relationship.
     
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  13. DaveyNY

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    Ummmnn...
    MU Georgieu ... she went for the Gold while in the Orion Sector on Qo'noS.
    (the first openly Bi Trek character, since Jadzia kinda-sorta went there)
    :techman:
     
  14. The Habs Fan

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    Considering Michelle Paradise is the new show-runner and gay herself (and also created the series Exes & Ohs about lesbian dating life) this could definitely still be happening. But considering it was a Harberts/Berg idea and Michelle Paradise joined the writing staff after they were fired, it also might have been dropped.
     
  15. eschaton

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    I'm not even sure who the F/F relationship could be.

    I mean, there really are only two female main characters on Discovery - Burnham and Tilly. They obviously aren't into each other like that. Micheal still doesn't really seem to be "over" Ash.

    That leaves the possibility of something like Detmer and Owo hooking up. And how would be know that, given how thin the characterization has been?
     
  16. Hythlodeus

    Hythlodeus Commodore Commodore

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    The same as we would know if they were in a heterosexual relationship, we just assume it's the default setting and don't give it a second thought
     
  17. eschaton

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    Personally, as a vegan, I unconsiously presume everyone else is vegan, and then end up mildly surprised when I see them eating meat.
     
  18. Hythlodeus

    Hythlodeus Commodore Commodore

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    Actually, as a pescetarian myself, I couldn't care less what other people eat
     
  19. eschaton

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    I'm not saying I judge. I've been vegan for over 20 years now - way past that. I'm saying that I know I have an unconscious bias to presume people are like me, but am always surprised nonetheless.
     
  20. Lord Garth

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    You have a stronger constitution than I do. I'm a vegetarian. 95% of the time, anyway. But I can't go full-on vegan. I just can't do it. I like pizza, mozzarella sticks, string cheese, and ice cream too much.