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Discussion in 'Star Trek: Discovery' started by Lord Garth, Jul 6, 2018.

  1. Tuskin38

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    Huh, I just learned that Jason Issacs lent his voice for the series finale of the TOS fan series ‘Continues’. I had no idea. He was credited as ‘Jason Lorca’ lmao.

    I’ve seen the episode, but I don’t know when his voice comes up.

    He also played the Grand Inquisitor in Star Wars Rebels, didn’t recognize his voice there either.
     
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    Jason Isaacs is so great.

    My impression from the coverage of that event is that it must suck to be a designer on the show.
     
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    My guess would be that things began improve in that dept. when Fuller departed and have steadily gotten better as Kurtzman has became more involved.

    Sounds like their 'growing pains' were exacerbated by Fuller's demands that it basically NOT look like Star Trek!
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    I think Bryan Fuller probably had some interesting conceptual ideas, but his ideas might not be Star Trekky enough to most trek fans, including myself. I bet the "amorphous" Klingon Ships were his idea.

    Those ideas might make for something entertaining and interesting, but it isn't enough to just call something Star Trek for it to be Star Trek. Personally, I think the series conceptually started off as something less-than-Trekish (probably still the remnants of Fuller's involvement), and maybe this concept art mirrors that, but as a whole it has gradually been brought back to the tone and feel of Star Trek.
     
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  8. Lord Garth

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    It's still too early to say about the 21st Century, but the entire 20th Century didn't look the same, so I like that the entire 23rd Century doesn't look the same. We saw quite a bit of change going from 2266 to 2293, so the same should really apply in the reverse direction.

    I never liked that it seems like the entire first half of the 24th Century looks like the late-23rd. I know it was due to budget constraints that whenever they showed an older Starfleet ship in TNG, they went back to the movies, even if the ship wasn't from the Movie Era, like the inside of the Enterprise-C, the Stargazer (it could've been from the movie era but the inside wouldn't look the same as the first four movies), and the Uniforms. But, really, if they could've, I think they should've diversified the appearance of Starfleet's history. Because, again, look at how much things changed going from 2364 to 2379.

    I'm not saying the designers of DSC couldn't have gone with something else besides what they did, but there was no need to have it all look exactly the same, because it wouldn't have been. Every decade should have a different look.
     
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    I really like how Discovery looks, though how many decks would you say there are. At least 4 but I'm guessing possibly more. The outside of the ship, and others, are always deceptive. Also, I didn't know until ep 4 that it has 2 sickbays.
     
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    that is kind of reflective what people think of as a utopia. A society as achieved all that it feels it needs to and just stops developing artistically as one of the consequences. The 24th century as a whole seems almost completely bereft of anything resembling compelling art, for instance in really any field of note. No particular well regarded composers, painters, poets, novelists, sculptors etc.
     
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    This is essentially what I said in another forum, two months ago in response to someone else's observation about how the 24th Century seems stagnant now with the advent of DSC. "It was stagnant in the '80s too. The jump from The Voyage Home to "Encounter at Farpoint" is not 80 years' worth of advancement. We just have to accept the 24th Century was a stagnant Dark Age. Fine with me. It was never my favorite Star Trek century to begin with."

    Unfortunately, it's a happy accident because I don't think the creators of the show had this in mind and were only thinking from a budgetary standpoint. But, in-universe, the Galaxy Class is probably the most innovative design Starfleet came up with in 80 years.
     
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    18 decks according to a cutaway, and confirmed by someone from the production.
     
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    Seems to me the only race that was experiences any kind of a renaissance during that century were the Romulans. Pity their home planet got destroyed. They were going interesting places.
     
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    Ah, saying that I'm sure Ash mentioned various decks in an episode of S1 when they came under attack. They usually do have several decks though don't they.
     
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    Looks like someone else did the leg work and came to the conclusion of 18 decks as well. That's what I'll go with in the absence of hearing anything differently on the show.
     
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    There's a cutaway in the actual show in season 2 showing 18 decks, so it works.
    Apparently in some magazine someone from the show also confirmed 18.
     
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    I don't think it's actually ever been mentioned on the show how many decks specifically. Cheers.

    Thanks for the info.
     
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    I've seen that but I disagree. The reason why we never see any notable paintings, composers etc etc etc is because it's never relevant to the story. Occasionally we do see theatre, music and art (data paints, Riker acts, Crusher dances, EMH sings) that reflect that such dramatic opportunities existed in real life for the citizens.
     
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    Didn't stop the people making TOS from putting a lot more interesting artistic expression into that series than we got in the TNG era which came across as a far more utilitarian era for the Federation.
     
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    I'm also involved in the arts. I know musicians and I work on independent films. Very independent. I'm about as far from Hollywood as you could possibly get. But that's also lent itself to my getting to know actors who came up through and are still involved with theater. It's all underground. It's not the same as mainstream. Mainstream Media is very standardized and formulaic. All the best creativity, I think, is underground. *

    "But you like Discovery!" Yeah, I do. I like Peak/Prestige TV and vastly prefer it to Blockbuster Films and the one-and-dones on normal TV because the seasons are shorter, and the arcs span an entire season, so there's more time to develop a longer and more involved story than there was before. I still prefer independent/underground work but, as far as mainstream TV and film, I think Prestige TV is as good as it gets right now. And I'm glad DSC has modeled itself after that.

    * It looks like everything is becoming more fragmented so maybe by the time of Star Trek, there is no mainstream. The dancing, the painting, the singing, and acting all things that could've been done in our own time. There's nothing that really screams "24th Century!" about it. But that's either because it was created by people at the end of the 20th Century or because art doesn't progress monolithically anymore in the future. With no money in the future, you don't have to worry about pushing whatever style happens to sell the most.

    But that isn't quite the same as starship design or uniforms. I think Starfleet liked the TOS Film look and then stuck to that for an unusually long time. Extremely unusual compared to how fast things seem to change during the periods of Star Trek we see that are the actual focus of the series and films.