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Finn

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It looks like the most recent genealogy-related thread was a few years back, so I'm starting this.

I've been noticing that some of the old US census---the 1880 one in particular--- doesn't seem to indicate a street address. It appears to give a designation number to a "dwelling" location which is absolutely no help. Has someone here had experience finding specific addresses specifically in that situation?
 
maybe this might help: https://www.nypl.org/blog/2016/07/08/genealogy-tips-searching-census-address
It describes how the Enumeration District Numbers were created and how to find them. By reversing the steps you might perhaps be able to resolve the EDN to a specific block. (one screenshot says if you have the EDN you can click on it to get the list of streets belonging to that number). And with that info you could check historical phone book entries for the names and addresses of the tenants and see if one fits your family tree.
 
Is it possible "Emma" is some kind of nickname? I'm supposed to have a great-great grandmother named Emma. But three doesn't seem to be any proof she even existed.?
 
maybe this might help: https://www.nypl.org/blog/2016/07/08/genealogy-tips-searching-census-address
It describes how the Enumeration District Numbers were created and how to find them. By reversing the steps you might perhaps be able to resolve the EDN to a specific block. (one screenshot says if you have the EDN you can click on it to get the list of streets belonging to that number). And with that info you could check historical phone book entries for the names and addresses of the tenants and see if one fits your family tree.


Thank you. Looks like an interesting resource :)
 
Yes. I
Is it possible "Emma" is some kind of nickname? I'm supposed to have a great-great grandmother named Emma. But three doesn't seem to be any proof she even existed.?

Yes. I have several relatives that have different names on both certificates and each US census. It can be rather frustrating. I know I have a great Aunt that went by Emma but was born Emily.
 
It looks like the most recent genealogy-related thread was a few years back, so I'm starting this.

I've been noticing that some of the old US census---the 1880 one in particular--- doesn't seem to indicate a street address. It appears to give a designation number to a "dwelling" location which is absolutely no help. Has someone here had experience finding specific addresses specifically in that situation?
I'll tag @T'Bonz. She does genealogy work, so she might be able to give you some advice on how to proceed.
 
off-topic: Welcome to the board, @Jedijanewadopttoo . It's nice to have someone around with a username even more unpronounciable than my one :D ;)

almost on-topic: Rather a lot of Americans appear to be interested in genealogy. Is there a particular reason or is it just that as a people you're comparatively young and therefore can't go that far back on your continent? (Native Americans excluded, of course, and no offense intended)

on topic (finally) : Many - sadly not all - church records in Bavaria have been digitalized in recent decades. If any of you need help tracing Bavarian ancestors, I'll gladly assist.

I have relatives in the SF area to which my mother lost contact ages ago and I managed to trace their current address. Do you think they'd welcome being contacted by a distant relative (I am only a 2nd cousin by marriage) or do you think they'd rather be left alone? I'm a bit insecure how to act. While I'd find it nice to get into contact with distant branches of the family, they might perhaps feel molested by a letter from a complete stranger. I'm not really familiar with the American etiquette and way of thinking. How would you react in such a situation (i.e. if a stranger would contact you telling you the're your relative) ?
 
It looks like the most recent genealogy-related thread was a few years back, so I'm starting this.

I've been noticing that some of the old US census---the 1880 one in particular--- doesn't seem to indicate a street address. It appears to give a designation number to a "dwelling" location which is absolutely no help. Has someone here had experience finding specific addresses specifically in that situation?

What are you trying to find? A certain family? Or where they lived? If you're looking at censuses in a city - you go by enumeration districts which contain the streets. If it's smaller towns, there may not be street names.

You may have to do hand-searching. Most censuses (U.S.) are indexed, which is helpful. Let me know exactly what you need (name, city, whatever) and I can better advise.
 
off-topic: Welcome to the board, @Jedijanewadopttoo . It's nice to have someone around with a username even more unpronounciable than my one :D ;)

almost on-topic: Rather a lot of Americans appear to be interested in genealogy. Is there a particular reason or is it just that as a people you're comparatively young and therefore can't go that far back on your continent? (Native Americans excluded, of course, and no offense intended)

on topic (finally) : Many - sadly not all - church records in Bavaria have been digitalized in recent decades. If any of you need help tracing Bavarian ancestors, I'll gladly assist.

I have relatives in the SF area to which my mother lost contact ages ago and I managed to trace their current address. Do you think they'd welcome being contacted by a distant relative (I am only a 2nd cousin by marriage) or do you think they'd rather be left alone? I'm a bit insecure how to act. While I'd find it nice to get into contact with distant branches of the family, they might perhaps feel molested by a letter from a complete stranger. I'm not really familiar with the American etiquette and way of thinking. How would you react in such a situation (i.e. if a stranger would contact you telling you the're your relative)

First question about Americans being interested in genealogy. I personally have not found too many people that are interested. My husband for an example couldn’t care less. But for those that are I think it is fun to find out your heritage. Many of early Americans were forced to completely assimilate upon arrival and as a result have lost many cultural traits of our ancestors. My grandfather came from Holland when he was ten and was made fun of at school. During that first year in America he vowed to never speak Dutch again. My grandmother’s parents came from then Prussia. My grandma went to her grave know even knowing where her parents came from. She had no idea that their first language was Polish. I found her parents on Ancestry.com. So I think earlier generations melted into the population and many never looked back. This has lead to many asking, “What am I?”
As for reaching out to your second cousins. I myself have second cousins from that Polish side of the family living in the same town that I live in. They have no idea I exist. I decided to be brave and mail one a Christmas card. I put myself out there. This strange person now has my address and pictures of my family. A couple months went by and a strange man knocked at my door. A second cousin! My Christmas card was passed through the family to someone who wanted to know more and reach out. I don’t recommend showing up on someone’s doorstep like he did but I do think a letter would be fine. I have contacted people on Ancestry.com and RARELY get a response. One would think they would respond since they are actively researching but clearly not. My father has had better luck with our Swedish Finnish side of the family. His emails were answered and we have connected with our long lost family in Finland. So, in todays world a letter out of nowhere may freak out some but take that leap and you may make a new connection. Also be careful as well, I have found a second cousin or two that I would NOT want to contact.
 
What are you trying to find? A certain family? Or where they lived? If you're looking at censuses in a city - you go by enumeration districts which contain the streets. If it's smaller towns, there may not be street names.

You may have to do hand-searching. Most censuses (U.S.) are indexed, which is helpful. Let me know exactly what you need (name, city, whatever) and I can better advise.

I'm focused on my paternal grandfather's ancestors who lived in the NYC area for several generations before Gramps was born in CT (only one in the family) and relocated to Maryland by the time he was around ten.

I was able to track down the addresses his parents and grandparents lived at during the early part of the 20th Century. As you probably are aware, the 1890 US census went up into flames. The censuses prior to that seem to assign the enumeration districts. It's something I'll need to learn about.

I've unable to track down whereabouts of his maternal grandmother in and prior to 1880 and I have absolutely no idea who her parents were. Dad said she was quite mean to Dad and uncle when they were little boys. I ordered a copy of my grandfather's maternal grandparents' wedding certificate. I'm hopeful it may include her parents' names.

As for his another grandmother, I'm going to try names that start with "Em" as the other poster suggested. It's fun, huh?
 
Looks like Emma was quite popular in Germany, and among German-Americans in the 19th Century.
 
Emma was indeed a very popular first name in the 1800s and early 1900s. Also try Emilia, Emilie or Emmy (a little less common).
Em could also be a misheard Am: Amalia was a very frequent name back then.
If the Em was a misheard M, then your best guess would be Minna.
Here is a list of the 20 most popular first names in Germany for every decade in the 1800s: https://www.namenmitgeschichte.de/index.php/top-10-der-namen-das-19-jahrhundert/

@Jedijanewadopttoo thanks for the explanation and the advice! I'll send a letter to my cousin's wife. She has been looking on ancestry.com for her side of the family but has since changed her email address. Maybe she'd be interested in learning more about her in-laws and there I can help :) There is no chance of there being some nasty cousins as she had her hubby have no children.

I have another cousin from my father's side of the family to whom we completely lost contact since the late 60s. Do you think it'd be possible to find any of their descendents? I understand that for reasons of privacy it's not so easy to get data of living people and all I have to start with is a (not very rare) name and an address from decades before the internet was invented. Her husband ranked a Major so I suspect that it'll be double difficult to get information about him, for reasons of military secrecy.
 
I do have access to some databases (paid) that I can use. If you want me to help, shoot me a PM with particulars. My workload is light this week so I'd have time to look for you.

If not interested in me helping, here's this: to find out what streets were in the ED districts for Brooklyn or Manhattan in 1880, go here:
https://stevemorse.org/census/index.html

Cancel the first pop-up window.

Then put in the year (1880) in the top dropdown box, state (NY) in the left drop downdown box, and the borough. Those are the two boroughs they have (Brooklyn and Manhattan). I found this very handy when searching my hubby's family there. You can choose the streets in the drop-down box. I find it easier to use this when looking at an online map, if the street exists today. If not, there are usually maps of the time online.

If you must do a handsearch for the family, it'll mean perhaps 10-20 pages in a city as opposed to a couple hundred.

I'm free if you want help.
 
I do have access to some databases (paid) that I can use. If you want me to help, shoot me a PM with particulars. My workload is light this week so I'd have time to look for you.

If not interested in me helping, here's this: to find out what streets were in the ED districts for Brooklyn or Manhattan in 1880, go here:
https://stevemorse.org/census/index.html

Cancel the first pop-up window.

Then put in the year (1880) in the top dropdown box, state (NY) in the left drop downdown box, and the borough. Those are the two boroughs they have (Brooklyn and Manhattan). I found this very handy when searching my hubby's family there. You can choose the streets in the drop-down box. I find it easier to use this when looking at an online map, if the street exists today. If not, there are usually maps of the time online.

If you must do a handsearch for the family, it'll mean perhaps 10-20 pages in a city as opposed to a couple hundred.

I'm free if you want help.


Awesome

Sigh...The 2020 US Census just arrived in the mail. When I put the junk mail in the recycling bin at the mailboxes, I noticed that some folks threw their census mail away. They don't even realize the Census folks are gonna show up at their doors asking for answers. It's in the constitution!
 
So we did the US Census today. I ticked white for my race :rolleyes:

But I still had to type in something. I put down "Irish and Scottish". I left out Germany as it's missing from my DNA results. It'd probably confuse the hell out of my distant cousins/nephews/nieces...and descendants if I do have a kid, when they look me up doing genealogy research in the 2090s as my surname is German... :lol:
 
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