*gasp* New Nintendo IP in the works?

[CommodoreKong]

The only one I remember being cancelled is Project H.A.M.M.E.R.

There was also a dister game and maybe something else.

My point was Nintendo is like "The Wii will be so different!" and then they canceled the new IPs to mainly make shit sequels.

New Nintendo developed or published IPs on the DS and Wii:
Metoes
Nintendogs
Another Code/Trace Memory
Hotel Dusk
Brain Age
Electroplankton
Rhythm Heaven
Fossil Fighters
Wii Sports/Wii Play/Wii Music/Wii Fit/etc
Endless Ocean
Disaster Day of Crisis
Xenoblade
The Last Story
Line Attack Heroes
Flingsmash

And that's not even all of them. I would say that's a good number of new IPs.

We've also seen a number of retro revivals of IPs that Nintendo fans have wanted to see for a long time such as Punchout, Excitetrucks/bots, Sin and Punishment, Donkey Kong Country, Kirby, Pilotwings and Kid Icarus.

 

[FordSVT]

The only one I remember being cancelled is Project H.A.M.M.E.R.

There was also a dister game and maybe something else.

My point was Nintendo is like "The Wii will be so different!" and then they canceled the new IPs to mainly make shit sequels.

New Nintendo developed or published IPs on the DS and Wii:
Metoes
Nintendogs
Another Code/Trace Memory
Hotel Dusk
Brain Age
Electroplankton
Rhythm Heaven
Fossil Fighters
Wii Sports/Wii Play/Wii Music/Wii Fit/etc
Endless Ocean
Disaster Day of Crisis
Xenoblade
The Last Story
Line Attack Heroes
Flingsmash

And that's not even all of them. I would say that's a good number of new IPs.

That's a huge pile of shit is what it is, and I'd hardly consider Nintendogs or the Brain Age guy to be on the same level as Mario, Kirby or Zelda, which is what the article is referring to.

 

[bigdaddy]

There was also a dister game and maybe something else.

My point was Nintendo is like "The Wii will be so different!" and then they canceled the new IPs to mainly make shit sequels.

New Nintendo developed or published IPs on the DS and Wii:
Metoes
Nintendogs
Another Code/Trace Memory
Hotel Dusk
Brain Age
Electroplankton
Rhythm Heaven
Fossil Fighters
Wii Sports/Wii Play/Wii Music/Wii Fit/etc
Endless Ocean
Disaster Day of Crisis
Xenoblade
The Last Story
Line Attack Heroes
Flingsmash

And that's not even all of them. I would say that's a good number of new IPs.

That's a huge pile of shit is what it is, and I'd hardly consider Nintendogs or the Brain Age guy to be on the same level as Mario, Kirby or Zelda, which is what the article is referring to.

Bingo. Most of that is the DS, and they aren't classical characters. Nintendo needs to make a new character that is like Pokemon. Wii Sports, Wii Slut, Wii Bullshit is hardly even a game, they are mainly things that I would see being sold on a street corner for $20.

The only one I remember being cancelled is Project H.A.M.M.E.R.

There was also a dister game and maybe something else.

My point was Nintendo is like "The Wii will be so different!" and then they canceled the new IPs to mainly make shit sequels.

Yeah... because games like Mario Galaxy and Twilight Princess are so shit...

Wow! I'll spend $700 on a system and the controllers just to play two games that aren't shit! One of which is a Gamecube game!

 

[Kaijima]

Ah, a good dose of 100% stereotypical Internet gamer Wii hate. It's like a cheap IRC script - "Wii is <shit> it has <no games> it is not <real games> it is for <casuals are stupid> Wii Sports is <cheap crap> just like <an Eye Toy game>".

You can't argue with people like this because they're not interested in facts, just that something different offends them for being popular. Wii's success really has garnered massive hate from both many who see themselves as "serious" gamers and from the industry itself.

As for new IP, Nintendo gets a bizarrely unfair rep for "just making Mario over and over" in relation to the rest of the game industry, which recycles and reuses IP, themes, and game designs like crazy. The trick is that there's an illusion of variety where no true variety is present. Can you really call 50 Gran Turismo-esque racing games "unique series" conceptually? They don't even have their own "lead chararcters" - mostly the same set of cars licensed from the same manufacturers! What about all the zillions of first person war shooters? Even those that aren't WWII games feature cookie cutter characters and settings that are all interchangeable. Every year publishers come up with "new" IPs with "new" characters who are the same as Call of Duty, Gears of War, or Halo with minor artistic variations to avoid copyright infringement.

This is not to say Nintendo doesn't need new content. They do. But the flipside is that they tend to concentrate on creating solid, universal characters and ideas that work across multiple games for multiple audiences. Nintendo is very good at building worlds of content, as only a few companies can equal or surpass (such as Blizzard). Nintendo's conservative side often makes them overly cautious though and this is due in part to the influence of Miyamoto who is, quite simply, slowly growing very old. Behind the scenes chaffing between Miyamoto and other game directors has been going on for a few years now.

(On that count and how it affects new characters or worlds, Miyamoto is extremely exacting and demanding about making new ideas solid and multi-faceted. This does however lead Nintendo to squash lots of potential ideas or take years to allow them to get off the ground. The fact that the Wii is based on experimentation is a bold thing for them and they've had trouble taking advantage of their own creation, until the last year or so when they've made a huge effort to turn development up several notches.)

 

[bigdaddy]

I think the Wii can be a great system, and it is sadly the best console out. So you clearly have no clue what you are talknig about. The Wii is just underdeveloped by Nintendo, they aren't pushing it out of the box as they should.

 

[crouteru]

There was also a dister game and maybe something else.

My point was Nintendo is like "The Wii will be so different!" and then they canceled the new IPs to mainly make shit sequels.

Yeah... because games like Mario Galaxy and Twilight Princess are so shit...

Wow! I'll spend $700 on a system and the controllers just to play two games that aren't shit! One of which is a Gamecube game!

Well since you don't seem to own a Wii, how am I supposed to be receptive to your opinions? They don't cost $700, there are several great exclusives in addition to Virtual Console classics, and so what if Twilight Princess was also released on Gamecube? Are you trying to make some kind of point? A console doesn't need to be a power house to have great games.

 

[Alidar Jarok]

New Nintendo developed or published IPs on the DS and Wii:
Metoes
Nintendogs
Another Code/Trace Memory
Hotel Dusk
Brain Age
Electroplankton
Rhythm Heaven
Fossil Fighters
Wii Sports/Wii Play/Wii Music/Wii Fit/etc
Endless Ocean
Disaster Day of Crisis
Xenoblade
The Last Story
Line Attack Heroes
Flingsmash

And that's not even all of them. I would say that's a good number of new IPs.

That's a huge pile of shit is what it is, and I'd hardly consider Nintendogs or the Brain Age guy to be on the same level as Mario, Kirby or Zelda, which is what the article is referring to.

Bingo. Most of that is the DS, and they aren't classical characters. Nintendo needs to make a new character that is like Pokemon. Wii Sports, Wii Slut, Wii Bullshit is hardly even a game, they are mainly things that I would see being sold on a street corner for $20.

There was also a dister game and maybe something else.

My point was Nintendo is like "The Wii will be so different!" and then they canceled the new IPs to mainly make shit sequels.

Yeah... because games like Mario Galaxy and Twilight Princess are so shit...

Wow! I'll spend $700 on a system and the controllers just to play two games that aren't shit! One of which is a Gamecube game!

Where are you getting $700? I figure with two controllers, two games, and a system, it'll cost you maybe $400 (probably less, honestly).

 

[JonathonWally]

New Nintendo developed or published IPs on the DS and Wii:
Metoes
Nintendogs
Another Code/Trace Memory
Hotel Dusk
Brain Age
Electroplankton
Rhythm Heaven
Fossil Fighters
Wii Sports/Wii Play/Wii Music/Wii Fit/etc
Endless Ocean
Disaster Day of Crisis
Xenoblade
The Last Story
Line Attack Heroes
Flingsmash

And that's not even all of them. I would say that's a good number of new IPs.

That's a huge pile of shit is what it is, and I'd hardly consider Nintendogs or the Brain Age guy to be on the same level as Mario, Kirby or Zelda, which is what the article is referring to.

Bingo. Most of that is the DS, and they aren't classical characters. Nintendo needs to make a new character that is like Pokemon. Wii Sports, Wii Slut, Wii Bullshit is hardly even a game, they are mainly things that I would see being sold on a street corner for $20.

There was also a dister game and maybe something else.

My point was Nintendo is like "The Wii will be so different!" and then they canceled the new IPs to mainly make shit sequels.

Yeah... because games like Mario Galaxy and Twilight Princess are so shit...

Wow! I'll spend $700 on a system and the controllers just to play two games that aren't shit! One of which is a Gamecube game!

No, it's a Wii game ported to Gamecube. Considering the Gamecube and the Wii's graphics chips are pretty similar, it's not such a difficult feat.

Wii's "Hollywood" is based on Gamecube's "Flipper" just clocked a bit higher.

 

[FordSVT]

The major Nintendo games are great. If you like Nintendo games above all else, buying a Wii is a no-brainer. I've got a Wii because about twice a year a Zelda or Mario game comes out that I want to play, and that's about it. We used to play Wii Sports and my wife got a Fit, but interest in those waned a long time ago.

A problem with the Wii is this:


What if you can only afford (or only want to) get one console and are interested in other games? PS3, 360 and Wii all have exclusive games, but with Sony and MS consoles you get high quality ports of shared IPs, and a lot of other games that the Wii quite frankly just will not handle at all.

 

[bigdaddy]

Yeah... because games like Mario Galaxy and Twilight Princess are so shit...

Wow! I'll spend $700 on a system and the controllers just to play two games that aren't shit! One of which is a Gamecube game!

Well since you don't seem to own a Wii, how am I supposed to be receptive to your opinions? They don't cost $700, there are several great exclusives in addition to Virtual Console classics, and so what if Twilight Princess was also released on Gamecube? Are you trying to make some kind of point? A console doesn't need to be a power house to have great games.

My point was you listed two great Wii games and one of them is a Gamecube game. It's not "also on the Gamecube", it's a Gamecube game that they made for the Wii.


My bad, it's only $600 for one game...
Wii is $200.
A game is $50.
The Wiimote is $40 each.
The nunchuk is $20 each.
The Motion Plus is $20each.

Plus sales tax (that's 6.25% here) and it's $605.

 

[CommodoreKong]

New Nintendo developed or published IPs on the DS and Wii:
Metoes
Nintendogs
Another Code/Trace Memory
Hotel Dusk
Brain Age
Electroplankton
Rhythm Heaven
Fossil Fighters
Wii Sports/Wii Play/Wii Music/Wii Fit/etc
Endless Ocean
Disaster Day of Crisis
Xenoblade
The Last Story
Line Attack Heroes
Flingsmash

And that's not even all of them. I would say that's a good number of new IPs.

That's a huge pile of shit is what it is, and I'd hardly consider Nintendogs or the Brain Age guy to be on the same level as Mario, Kirby or Zelda, which is what the article is referring to.

Bingo. Most of that is the DS, and they aren't classical characters. Nintendo needs to make a new character that is like Pokemon. Wii Sports, Wii Slut, Wii Bullshit is hardly even a game, they are mainly things that I would see being sold on a street corner for $20.

Just because you personally don't like a new IP doesn't magically stop making it a new IP. Half of those new IPs are on the Wii.

Plus the Wii Sports/Fit/Resort/etc lineup are some of the best selling games of the generation. Wii Fit has sold over 22 million copies, Wii Sports Resort 16 million copies and Wii Play over 22 million copies. They also continue to sell well, unlike many traditional games. I wouldn't be surprised if Wii Party also has sales like some of these other games.

Your trolling is pathetic. Just stop now.

 

[crouteru]

Wow! I'll spend $700 on a system and the controllers just to play two games that aren't shit! One of which is a Gamecube game!

Well since you don't seem to own a Wii, how am I supposed to be receptive to your opinions? They don't cost $700, there are several great exclusives in addition to Virtual Console classics, and so what if Twilight Princess was also released on Gamecube? Are you trying to make some kind of point? A console doesn't need to be a power house to have great games.

My point was you listed two great Wii games and one of them is a Gamecube game. It's not "also on the Gamecube", it's a Gamecube game that they made for the Wii.


My bad, it's only $600 for one game...
Wii is $200.
A game is $50.
The Wiimote is $40 each.
The nunchuk is $20 each.
The Motion Plus is $20each.

Plus sales tax (that's 6.25% here) and it's $605.

What?? You're arguement makes no sense.

Twilight Princess was released for the Wii and also for the Gamecube. This is fact. Even though it began development on Gamecube and then transferred to Wii doesn't make it any less a Wii game.

Let's take another example, Resident Evil 4 is a Wii game. It's also a Gamecube, PS2 and PC game.

As for Wii pricing, where are you looking? Amazon has a Wii console for $200 that includes 2 games, a Wiimote, a Nunchuck and Motion Plus.

Buying extra Wiimotes etc. is no different than buying extra accessories for any console. The same goes for the games.

 

[Alidar Jarok]

I think he was going for 4 Wiimotes. In which case, the math is still wrong because one comes with the system and others (and accessories) come packaged with games (so you'd be talking about paying $500 (more like $450, I've seen Wiis for $150 these days) for a Wii, 4 Wiimotes, and 4 games). Sure, they're not the greatest games in the world, but they're the equivalent of paying $10 for a game.

Honestly, at this point, they need to find a way to package the nun-chuck and motion-plus with the Wiimote and value. I do agree that they are the toughest thing to swallow for the cost of the system (but with a PS3, you're paying $300 for the system, and $30 for each controller, bringing the total to $390 + $50 for a game, which isn't that much cheaper).

EDIT: Sony DualShock controller costs $55 dollars! That's just one controller. So add $75 to that last number. God controllers are expensive these days.

 

[Bob The Skutter]

^And even more if you get the Playstation Move stuff too.

 

[FordSVT]

That's a huge pile of shit is what it is, and I'd hardly consider Nintendogs or the Brain Age guy to be on the same level as Mario, Kirby or Zelda, which is what the article is referring to.

Bingo. Most of that is the DS, and they aren't classical characters. Nintendo needs to make a new character that is like Pokemon. Wii Sports, Wii Slut, Wii Bullshit is hardly even a game, they are mainly things that I would see being sold on a street corner for $20.

Just because you personally don't like a new IP doesn't magically stop making it a new IP. Half of those new IPs are on the Wii.

Plus the Wii Sports/Fit/Resort/etc lineup are some of the best selling games of the generation. Wii Fit has sold over 22 million copies, Wii Sports Resort 16 million copies and Wii Play over 22 million copies. They also continue to sell well, unlike many traditional games. I wouldn't be surprised if Wii Party also has sales like some of these other games.

Your trolling is pathetic. Just stop now.

Holy shit dude, the guy was defending the Wii just a few posts back and you're calling him a pathetic troll?

Farmville on Facebook has out"sold" anything Nintendo or Sony or Microsoft has come up with in the last ten years, I guess we should celebrate that as a victory for "gamers"?

Some of the games you listed (like Electroplankton) were published by Nintendo but not developed by Nintendo, so they don't even count.

If you get a hard-on over Nintendo's Wii Sports games and Nintendogs, that's fine, I don't care, but to defend the massive amount of shovelware Nintendo and other developers have dumped on their consoles lately is pretty ballsy. A bunch of college graduates with a few free months could have made Wii Sports. Perhaps they did.

And again, we all know seem to know what we're talking about here: new Nintendo IPs that gamers actually give a shit about. Games like Metroid and Mario and Zelda, not stuff like Wii Fit that my mother and wife like. Hotel Dusk is an interesting graphic adventure game, but is that the kind of game that makes you love Nintendo?

If that sounds "elitist", fine, but we're having a conversation here and you don't seem to want to do anything but nit-pick an assertion that most people agree with. Your point is taken, that Nintendo has manufactured various pieces of intellectual property over the years. No one gives a shit, and if you'd rather them make Wii Sports 7 than a brand new, high-quality, innovative, action/adventure/platformer/exploration/whatever game like the kind that has built that company, it's pretty sad.

 

[CommodoreKong]

Bingo. Most of that is the DS, and they aren't classical characters. Nintendo needs to make a new character that is like Pokemon. Wii Sports, Wii Slut, Wii Bullshit is hardly even a game, they are mainly things that I would see being sold on a street corner for $20.

Just because you personally don't like a new IP doesn't magically stop making it a new IP. Half of those new IPs are on the Wii.

Plus the Wii Sports/Fit/Resort/etc lineup are some of the best selling games of the generation. Wii Fit has sold over 22 million copies, Wii Sports Resort 16 million copies and Wii Play over 22 million copies. They also continue to sell well, unlike many traditional games. I wouldn't be surprised if Wii Party also has sales like some of these other games.

Your trolling is pathetic. Just stop now.

Holy shit dude, the guy was defending the Wii just a few posts back and you're calling him a pathetic troll?

Farmville on Facebook has out"sold" anything Nintendo or Sony or Microsoft has come up with in the last ten years, I guess we should celebrate that as a victory for "gamers"?

Some of the games you listed (like Electroplankton) were published by Nintendo but not developed by Nintendo, so they don't even count.

If you get a hard-on over Nintendo's Wii Sports games and Nintendogs, that's fine, I don't care, but to defend the massive amount of shovelware Nintendo and other developers have dumped on their consoles lately is pretty ballsy. A bunch of college graduates with a few free months could have made Wii Sports. Perhaps they did.

And again, we all know seem to know what we're talking about here: new Nintendo IPs that gamers actually give a shit about. Games like Metroid and Mario and Zelda, not stuff like Wii Fit that my mother and wife like. Hotel Dusk is an interesting graphic adventure game, but is that the kind of game that makes you love Nintendo?

If that sounds "elitist", fine, but we're having a conversation here and you don't seem to want to do anything but nit-pick an assertion that most people agree with. Your point is taken, that Nintendo has manufactured various pieces of intellectual property over the years. No one gives a shit, and if you'd rather them make Wii Sports 7 than a brand new, high-quality, innovative, action/adventure/platformer/exploration/whatever game like the kind that has built that company, it's pretty sad.

I was pretty tired last night and I admit I may of went a bit over board about the trolling part, but I stand by everything else I said.

I don't mind Farmville. I don't play it and never plan to, but it is a game and if people enjoy it them more power to them.

My list included Nintendo developed and published IPs, so I don't see how they all count. It's pretty unlikely any of those IPs could appear on a non-Nintendo console. Plus Electroplankton appeared as a stage in Super Smash Brothers Brawl so it's pretty obvious Nintendo owns that IP. So do the Resistance games and the Ratchet and Clank games not count as Sony franchises just because Insomniac is an independent developer (and they're making a new IP that will appear on both PS3 and 360)?

I've never played Nintendogs, though Wii Sports is an excellent game and tons of fun, especially with a group of friends. If you consider Nintendo's more casual games to be shovelware you've obviously never played any real shovelware. Nintendo's casual games are extremely well made and lots of fun, stop considering them shovelware just because you don't like them.

Of all those new IPs listed I like or am interested in Metoes, Trace Memory, Hotel Dusk, several games in the Wii series, Xenoblade, The Last Story, Line Attack Heroes and Flingsmash. Again just because you don't give a shit about them doesn't that everyone doesn't And yes, Hotel Dusk is the kind of game that makes me love Nintendo, it's my favorite game on the DS and Last Window is currently one of my most anticipated sequels.

No, I would absolutely love to see Nintendo make another, more hardcore IP. Some of my favorite games this generation have been new or semi-new IPs, like Portal, Hotel Dusk, Batman Arkham Asylum, Dragon Age and Mass Effect.

My argument is that Nintendo has created or published a number of both casual and hardcore (and some that appeal to both) IPs over the past 6 years or so. You haven't said a single thing to disprove that, only that you don't like Nintendo's new IPs so they shouldn't count.

 

[FordSVT]

I admitted in my post that of course Nintendo has made other games, but you don't seem to get that the reason people are excited about this news is because it's a new potential tent pole for Nintendo, not another pet-grooming game for 8 year old girls. That's what the article is about, that's what the thread is about. For Pete's sake, even Miyamoto says it's been 10years since the core Nintendo teams have created a brand new character and game universe.

If clint had added "flagship" to his subject line, would that have prevented you from posting? Because everyone else here seems to know that's what he's alluding to but you.

 

[CommodoreKong]

I admitted in my post that of course Nintendo has made other games, but you don't seem to get that the reason people are excited about this news is because it's a new potential tent pole for Nintendo, not another pet-grooming game for 8 year old girls. That's what the article is about, that's what the thread is about. For Pete's sake, even Miyamoto says it's been 10years since the core Nintendo teams have created a brand new character and game universe.

If clint had added "flagship" to his subject line, would that have prevented you from posting? Because everyone else here seems to know that's what he's alluding to but you.

As I said in my above post yes I am excited about a new character created by Miyamoto.
As I pointed out, Nintendo has created a number of interesting IPs, and yet you go back to "another pet-grooming game for the 8 year old girls." It's said how you continue to troll despite the list of all their new IPs.

After reading the article again it's pretty obvious that Miyamoto is talking about himself, not Nintendo as a whole in that article, since Pikmin was the last original "character" he created that wasn't based on something in real life, like Nintendogs or Wuhu Island (which he does consider a character he and Nintendo created).

 

[FordSVT]

And yet, doesn't give a shit enough about them to mention. Like the rest of us.

You continue to call people who disagree with you "trolls". Nothing anyone has done here is trolling, I don't think you know what trolling is. Come to TNZ and I'll troll you right up your mid-western ass. I've posted several hundred words and presented a reasoned opinion that is in line with the article and what Miyamoto himself said, and all you can do is say "Wii Fit and Nintendogs are original Nintendo IPs" when no one here gives a shit, including Miyamoto himself. HE gets it, WE get it, and you're still pining for more Wii Music titles instead of a new GAME. The OP and the article are about a major new IP, and you're getting all bitchy at us because you think Nintendogs is a worth successor to Super Mario World or Pokemon.

I'm done here, this is too much work for a topic so unimportant.

 

[CommodoreKong]

What I was orginally responding to was "My point was Nintendo is like "The Wii will be so different!" and then they canceled the new IPs to mainly make shit sequels"

He didn't say that Miyamoto hasn't made a new character/IP mainly target for hardcore gamers in a long time, which is what you and the article are saying. Yes, I agree with that, and yes I am looking forward to seeing what he comes up with.

You don't even seem to understand why I posted the list in the first place. I wanted to show that Nintendo has been putting out a large number of IPs over the past few years, more then most other companies in the industry. Some are casual and some are more geared towards the hardcore, but honesty I think it's a good list.

I've never even played Nintendogs or Wii Fit since neither are really the type of game I would enjoy, and yet I don't talk down about them like you because I'm not personally intreted in them. Many people have bought and enjoy them, and really in the end isn't that what gaming is all about? There's nothing wrong at all with Nintendo making games for casual gamers to enjoy, especially with all the great games they've been making for hardcore Nintendo fans.

And yes, Miyamoto and many gamers, both casual and hardcore very much care about his more casual gamer IPs. Here's an interview with him talking about making Wuhu Island a character/new IP.

And when you go and post things like "I'll troll you right up your mid-western ass." yes it is pretty obvious that you are being a troll, and it's really sad you have to stoop so low as to insult where I live. I guess that's what happens I have solid evidence and make a solid argument and you have nothing.