Maybe stick Ayala there. His uniform was the right color, and he was generally there anyway. He'd just have to talk a little more often is all.
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I wonder whether he had the chops to be a regular.
In Warhead, during Night shift, when they were 99 percent sure that nothing eventful was going to happen for the next 8 hours, the bridge crew was 2 people and no one was sitting at Ops.
They know where every planet and space station is, weeks, months, sometimes years before they cross paths with these places, yet despite a 26 hour clock, they hardly never arrive at a planet or a border when Captain Janeway is asleep of fornicating with a fake Irishman.
They just have to go a little faster, or a little slower to guarantee that Voyager arrives anywhere predictably eventful within the 2 hour margin, per day, where Janeway is actually on the bridge. "On duty" (for she) does not mean sitting in the chair and waiting for something to happen, while the rest of the bridge crew fly Voyager, or make sure that the ship does not explode from congestion.
95 percent of Janeway's job is writing reports, reading reports or having reports read to her, to make sure they don't run out of food or fuel, which is work she does in her ready room, or her quarters, or her office, or her private mess, since they dictate everything instead of typing.
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He wouldn't be. He wouldn't be in the credits, and he'd only have lines when it was absolutely necessary. They could still pay him the "no talk" rate most episodes.
Those in charge did all they could to make the fans totally forget Kes in seasons 4 and 5 while Harry was there all the time which might be a reason why the "dismissal" of Kes was shoved in the background. However there were many fans who wanted her back and there was actually a letter campaign for it.
However, when the result of all that was that they brought back Kes to be destroyed in the most disgusting episode ever made in a TV show, I guess Harry's fate might seem a bit more acceptable. Shved aside and humiliated by not being promoted, yes. But not humiliated and totally destroyed.
But Tuvok's rank was a problem in season one when he did seem to be Lieutenant in one episode, Lieutenant Commander in another and then Lieutenant again.
My theory is that every time Tuvok won a game of Kal-Toh against Janeway, she got furious and demoted him. When he let her win, he was promoted.
In 2374, Tuvok had finally given up and let Janeway win all the time so then he was finally promoted.
That's my opinion too.
I think that you're right.
But it might also have something to do with Harry being there all the time while Kes was dumped after three seasons after which those in charge made everything they could to make the fans totally forget kes until they decided to show the finger to the persistent Kes fans who wanted her back and then brought back the character with the one and only intention to destroy her.
The fans of Harry were rather quiet back then and there were no protests about the constant "young Ensign Kim" scenario.
I mostly do count events in the books as "canon" if the events happen after the series has ended and if it doesn't contradict other events in series and books.
As for this book by Una McCormac, I was going to buy it as a Christmas gift for myself last year but I was so p***ed off with
How she obviously has made a fool out of Garak and finally killed him of in a recent book
But I guess I have to make an exception when it comes to the Janeway biography. It looks interesting.
Besides that, I actually liked the books by Una McCormack which I had previously read. Ironically I wrote some comments of praise about her books the day before I found out what I mentioned in the "spoiler" above.
Personally I'm happy that he returned to Voyager. despite all this with him never being promoted, he belongs there.
Yes, but obviously he remained on Earth in the "real" timeline.
I have a different opinion.
In Timeline A, Harry A is chief of operations on Voyager. Danny Byrd is at the SCE, helping to design a new runabout.
Then Harry A is pulled out of his own timeline by a space-time-probability accident.
The aliens slot Harry A into the most convenient timeline. To make room for him, Danny Byrd is sent to Voyager.
If Harry A goes home, the B timeline goes on with Danny Byrd there instead of him. Harry and Tom are both considered fried in the explosion.
If Harry A stays in the B timeline, Danny Byrd is the operations chief on Voyager and Ensign Pablo Baytart is the pilot on Voyager
Ayala could have been a good replacement since he actually did replace Harry when he was off duty or on some planet with the away team. But I'd rather seen Harry there, promoted and all that.
It's a little like the short story "The Monkey's Paw". You get what you want, but it comes in a really really BAD way.
Costumer error. Tom got the same treatment.
My theory is that every time Tuvok won a game of Kal-Toh against Janeway, she got furious and demoted him. When he let her win, he was promoted.
In 2374, Tuvok had finally given up and let Janeway win all the time so then he was finally promoted.
He learned that you do not trifle with the Chuck Norris of Star Trek.
Don't bend over backwards... just about all of it is non-canonical now.
Maybe... but MAN, what a mind job it would have been if he didn't go back!
Also a possibilty... but if one young ensign wasn't working out, would another be that much better?
Well of course. The priority list...
Best: Develop the character.
2nd: Eliminate him in an interesting way.
3rd: At least promote him to lieutenant.
Worst: What they did.
And the season 1 costume error wasn't limited to Tom and Tuvok.
Chakotay and Torres held a higher provisional rank for about the same amount of time as Tom and Tuvok's costume errors. (Chakotatly had 3 full stripes indicating full Commander, B'Elanna had two full stripes indicating full Lt.)
Chakotay and Torres held a higher provisional rank for about the same amount of time as Tom and Tuvok's costume errors. (Chakotatly had 3 full stripes indicating full Commander, B'Elanna had two full stripes indicating full Lt.)
Yes. The lack of growth and development should not be answered by "Keep him exactly how he is."Well of course. The priority list...
Best: Develop the character.
2nd: Eliminate him in an interesting way.
3rd: At least promote him to lieutenant.
Worst: What they did.
Yes, but I could never have imagined that those in charge of Voyager would be so rude.
But I learned a lesson, no wishes or requests for a return of Kes in any book because stupid writers would only destroy the character even more. Especially in this horrible decade when they seem intent to ruin and destroy every great character Star Trek have had.
Picard in the recent Picard series and garak in the book Second Self by Una McCormack.
Rule 1: If you want to read a good and interesting Star Trek story, write it yourself!
In Tom's case, it was all about Tom winning the pool game at the holographic Sandrine's. Then he was thrown into the brig for thirty days because Janeway got tired of him constantly singing the Johnny Winter song "Thirty Days". A fitting revenge to place him into the brig for thirty days then.
How?
Write a short spoiler to avoid revealing too much for those who haven't read the book or send me a message.
But I don't care that much about "canon" anymore. The recent events with character destructions and even destruction of important planets in the Star Trek Universe have made me decide that I will dismiss everything in all series made after 2000 which conflicts with the Lynxverse.
There would have been problems to come up with a new OPS officer all of a sudden. They would have had to create a chaacter which had been an anonymous crewmember until then, sort of "crewman Jones will act as OPS officer until further notice. Then Jones managed to save the shp from a dangerous computer virus, becomes a hero and gets promoted to Ensign........ah, well forget the last thing. he will remain a simple crewman.
It wan't actually a suggestion, more an explanation that Danny Byrd probably had taken Kim's place in the alternate scenario. That could also have happened if they had decided to dump Wang around the filming of Non Sequitur, however they would have had to finfd a way to keep Tom on the ship.
Well of course. The priority list...
Best: Develop the character.
2nd: Eliminate him in an interesting way.
3rd: At least promote him to lieutenant.
Worst: What they did.
I agree.
But once again I have to state that what happened to Kes was far worse.
In that case they had two options:
1. Fulfil the wishes of those who staged a letter campaign to re-instate Kes as a permanent member of the crew.
2. Ignore those wishes and continue as usual.
What they did was choosing option 3 which was: Humiliate and destroy the character and show "the finger" to those who are stupid enough to question our decisions.
When it comes to the strioes on those provisional ranks, those could hardly be seen.
I remember spending some episodes, trying to see the difference on Chakotay's and Torres's rank pins. I gave up after a while because they looked the same and I have good eyesight.
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Ok. Spoilers for "The Autobiography of Kathryn Janeway"
In the book...
- Janeway moves to Ireland, while doing desk work at Starfleet.
- Tom, Chakotay, and the EMH all leave Starfleet.
- B'Elanna stays in. She and Tom have another child.
- So does Tuvok. He gets his mind meld, and sees seven more grandchildren arrive. He is considering retiring to Vulcan.
- Harry is promoted, probably hours after the show canonically ends, a nice middle finger to the writers. Libby was just as unlucky in love over the seven years Voyager was lost, so she and Harry resume their relationship. By 2395, he has his own command and four kids.
- Janeway's sister, Phoebe, inherits her sister's property, including some frozen ova. Wanting something of Kathryn to live on, she uses one of them to produce a child, Amelia Janeway, who Kathryn gets acquainted with upon her return. Amelia graduated the Academy in 2395.
- Janeway moves to Ireland, while doing desk work at Starfleet.
- Tom, Chakotay, and the EMH all leave Starfleet.
- B'Elanna stays in. She and Tom have another child.
- So does Tuvok. He gets his mind meld, and sees seven more grandchildren arrive. He is considering retiring to Vulcan.
- Harry is promoted, probably hours after the show canonically ends, a nice middle finger to the writers. Libby was just as unlucky in love over the seven years Voyager was lost, so she and Harry resume their relationship. By 2395, he has his own command and four kids.
- Janeway's sister, Phoebe, inherits her sister's property, including some frozen ova. Wanting something of Kathryn to live on, she uses one of them to produce a child, Amelia Janeway, who Kathryn gets acquainted with upon her return. Amelia graduated the Academy in 2395.
If Voyager is affected by the new timeline, yes. Of it isn't, Tom is already there.
But I'm sure Drunk Tom could be written out if the plan was for Harry to stay. Just figure he was on the ship in both timelines.
It would have taken some doing to bring her back, though your idea to use Q is a possibility.
I expect I could tell now, with HDTV... just never tried. Regardless of how many people they did it with, they really messed up, having such an obvious error last so long.
Well.........
What a horrible piece of crap!
I mean, has Uma McCormack gone totally insane in the recent year? First Garak and now all this crap! Looks like too many authors has become so incredible destructive.
Or is it orders from above to kill off or destroy and get rid of every good character from TNG, DS9 and VOY to make room for crap scenarios and crap characters from more recent series?
This is actually horrible.
I'm happy that I never bought that book and I'm perfectly happy with Jeri Taylor's Janeway biographt Mosaic, a really good book even if Janeway have certain flaws in the story.
I mean, has Uma McCormack gone totally insane in the recent year? First Garak and now all this crap! Looks like too many authors has become so incredible destructive.
Or is it orders from above to kill off or destroy and get rid of every good character from TNG, DS9 and VOY to make room for crap scenarios and crap characters from more recent series?
This is actually horrible.
I'm happy that I never bought that book and I'm perfectly happy with Jeri Taylor's Janeway biographt Mosaic, a really good book even if Janeway have certain flaws in the story.
That looks like a way to solve the problem.
Lynxverse rules!
The only sane Star Trek source in the 2020's.
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It wasn't great. Though I liked what she did with Harry. Amelia, too.
Lynxverse rules!
The only sane Star Trek source in the 2020's.
I think some of the new series are Ok. Couldn't get into Disco, PIC was depressing, and LD is a mixed bag. But SNW is fun and PRO is what VOY could have been with competent showrunners.
Same.
Maybe Harry but not the rest. It looks like downrigt crap to me.
Most of those new series aren't even available where I live. Well, maybe on some streaming services if I want to pay a lot of money to watch them. But considering what's happening in Star Trek in general now, I'm not sure that I want to do that.
Compare that situation with what we had in the 80s and 90s when we had TOS, TNG, DS9 and VOY on the big TV channels and we had good Star Trek movies and books as well, it's a rapid decline.
I'm worried for Star Trek. If the current trend with character destruction, doom-and-gloom and erasing of what was built up in the 80's and 90's continues, then Star Trek will lose all the popularity it once had.
Then do yourself a favor and don't buy the book. It also acknowledges The Episode That Must Not Be Named as canonical, which I know would be reason alone for you to skip it.
Well, I think that of the "doom and gloom" series, the worst offender (PIC) is already over.
I pay about 7 bucks a month for Paramount Plus, and get everything but Prodigy. But, it's the only TV of any sort I've ever subscribed to.
It already has. This is clinging to nostalgic glory days that didn't fully exist, and saying it must nbe better despite seeing little of the new.
I get it. I missed TOS when TNG usurped its spot and told me how I suck because I'm a 20th century human.
Don't worry, I've already decided not to buy it. it's already given me a lot of headache.
Finally some good news.
Obviously cheaper in the US than over here. Definitely more than 10 bucks for what I buy.
I pay for some sports channels over here to follow my hockey team and that package includes some movies and series channels which are downright crap, filled with just the kind of doom-and-gloom movies and series I won't watch at gunpoint. No Star Trek to find there.
I was actualy a bit burned some years ago when I did pay for another service, a decent sum to follow a certain TV series and they suspended it after I'd watched 3 of the 10 seasons. When I asked about it, they recommended that i could watch another series instead which was one I never would watch even if the paid me for it.
I didn't bother that much about the events in The Neutral Zone because it was Offenheim who got most of the criticizm and he was a jerk.
And when I look at the 2020's, I must admit that the criticizm about "20th century humans" may have some points, even if the dreadful 2020's are in the 21th centuty
I actually like those "nostalgic glory days". Much more fun than what we have now.
Study history and discover its not do dreadful.And when I look at the 2020's, I must admit that the criticizm about "20th century humans" may have some points, even if the dreadful 2020's are in the 21th centuty
Life is not about fun.
No. Riker looked down on all of them, and all of 20th century humanity. Imagine looking at your ancestors and go "Yup, they all suck. It's a wonder we survived."
It's elitism, pure and simple. I won't watch a show that looks to insult me.
I'm aware of the fact that there have been worse periods.
But during my life, I haven't encountered anythin so boring as this decade and most of the 2010's too.
I know and that's why I need some fun and entertainment to relax.
But there is less of such things every day.
No. Riker looked down on all of them, and all of 20th century humanity. Imagine looking at your ancestors and go "Yup, they all suck. It's a wonder we survived."
Unfortunately, I just have to look around at the world and people around me to realize that Riker was right.
And when I look at what has happened in the past, I feel the same thing as Riker did. Don't have to go too many centuries back to realize that.
I refuse to. To look down on people means giving them no chance. Not a good look for a supposedly enlightened society that can't look past its own nose to care.
I'll take boring. There's an old curse; "may you live in interesting times."
I could do with less excitement in my life.
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