Garrett Wang

[at Quark's]

Alternate realities, time travel, holographic recreation, or Kobali-fication are all possibilities.

I can see the parallels version of VOY now:

KIM: The rate of quantum incursions is increasing exponentially. At this rate, the sector will be completely filled with Voyagers within three days.
TOM : Captain, we're receiving two hundred eighty five thousand hails. About 280,000 from an Ensign Kim, 5 from a Lt. Kim, 3,000 from a Lt. Byrd, and the others seem to come from assimilated Voyagers telling us we will be assimilated. Most of the Voyagers seem to be much worse off than we are anyway and most seem to operate on a skeleton crew.
Captain <looking grey and nauseous > did you just say Lieutenant Kim?

 

[Oddish]

Ten seconds later, Voyager torpedoes all five of those ships.

 

[Lynx]

Or do as Garrett Wang himself suggested...

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Good suggestion actually!

EDIT: I'm sorry to say that yes, it does get touched upon. But it's only about half a page, so I think you'll survive.

I wonder if Tipp-Ex or any other correction fluid is still available. Yuo know that stuff which you could paint over a typed misspelled word on a paper. If it is, the problem is solved.

 

[at Quark's]

Ten seconds later, Voyager torpedoes all five of those ships.

Janeway: No, you won't go back. I don't like what I know of your universe! If this works everything will return to normal.

 

[Oddish]

I wonder if Tipp-Ex or any other correction fluid is still available. Yuo know that stuff which you could paint over a typed misspelled word on a paper. If it is, the problem is solved.

Just get a few stick-on labels. They'll do the job as well.

 

[Tango]

Good suggestion actually!
I wonder if Tipp-Ex or any other correction fluid is still available. Yuo know that stuff which you could paint over a typed misspelled word on a paper. If it is, the problem is solved.

I wish they had used Tripp-Ex on the final episode of ENT. Oh sorry, wrong forum.

 

[Oddish]

[In Janeway's distinctive icy tone] "Delete the finale."

 

[Lynx]

I wish they had used Tripp-Ex on the final episode of ENT. Oh sorry, wrong forum.

I wish that they had used Tipp-Ex on the whole ENT series.

That series ruined Star Trek, not only because it was bad but more because it led to the abandoning of the 24th century and we got all those lousy retro "TOS copy" series and movies.

 

[Oddish]

VOY and ENT did share one similar issue... the powers that be weren't willing to "go all in" on what made them unique. VOY had everyone being best buddies almost from the start, and ENT had transporters, phasers, and photon torpedoes.

 

[at Quark's]

One thing I liked about Voyager is that there really was a sense of it being a close community, perhaps even of being part of a family, in later years. That people could let their hair down more than on the Enterprise-D, for example. But I agree that there should have been more friction in the early years.

I wish that they had used Tipp-Ex on the whole ENT series.

That series ruined Star Trek, not only because it was bad but more because it led to the abandoning of the 24th century and we got all those lousy retro "TOS copy" series and movies.

I felt that Trek at that time had been pretty much been saturated with the 24th century after three 7-year series, and that choosing a different era was a good idea. I just don't think ENT was all that it could have been.

 

[fireproof78]

I felt that Trek at that time had been pretty much been saturated with the 24th century after three 7-year series, and that choosing a different era was a good idea. I just don't think ENT was all that it could have been.

Same, but I was at least intrigued, until the whole Temporal Cold War. That was an odd choice.

But, it still had some OK episodes, even if the potential was not reached.

 

[at Quark's]

Same, but I was at least intrigued, until the whole Temporal Cold War. That was an odd choice.

But, it still had some OK episodes, even if the potential was not reached.

I was hoping for a DS9-esque series telling how the Federation actually came into existence. Focusing on how the different species regarded one another, the initial cultural differences leading to distrust, and how bridges of trust finally were built between them with the background of the Romulan War (and as far as I'm concerned that war itself could have remained a background element). Instead we got yet another adventure-of-the-week crew - at least for the first two years - even though it contained some of the elements I mentioned, but only very sparsely. The story became serialized in season 3, and season 4 was shaping up more in the direction I had originally hoped for, but by then it was apparently too late.

 

[Oddish]

It would have been harder to fix Enterprise's chief issue than Voyager's. I mean, Voyager's biggest problem was sloppiness. A couple minutes of dialogue could have fixed it. But with Enterprise, the problem was infusing 23/24th century tech where it wasn't really appropriate. NX-01 Enterprise should have had plasma cannons instead of phasers, kept the spatial torpedoes, and if you didn't go planetside by shuttle, you didn't go at all.

 

[drt]

The Cardassians were never allies with the Federation. There was a treaty that called off the war and established the DMZ, but a peace treaty is very different from being an active ally.

The only time the Cardassians were allies with the Federation was the final battle of the Dominion War... and that was simply them fighting a now common enemy.

In their introductory episode, "The Wounded", they're explicitly called allies.

Of course, that episode showed them to be rearming and included a Federation ship destroying ships essentially unopposed in their space, so I suppose being allies was pretty shortlived.

 

[Oddish]

When the Federation and Cardassians call each other "allies", I think of two men smiling exaggeratedly and shaking hands with one hand, while concealing daggers behind their back with the other.

 

[fireproof78]

When the Federation and Cardassians call each other "allies", I think of two men smiling exaggeratedly and shaking hands with one hand, while concealing daggers behind their back with the other.

Oh, so like that scene in the Mirror Universe Saga between Mirror Klingons and Mirror Romulans?

 

[Oddish]

Or Mirror humans and either of those races. Basically, I think everyone in the Mirror-verse except the Ferengi was the sort of person you only turn your back on if you like being impaled.

 

[at Quark's]

It would have been harder to fix Enterprise's chief issue than Voyager's. I mean, Voyager's biggest problem was sloppiness. A couple minutes of dialogue could have fixed it. But with Enterprise, the problem was infusing 23/24th century tech where it wasn't really appropriate. NX-01 Enterprise should have had plasma cannons instead of phasers, kept the spatial torpedoes, and if you didn't go planetside by shuttle, you didn't go at all.

The problem with those spatial torpedoes was that they were pathetic, compared to other species' weaponry, as they found out quickly. So they needed to level up, and soon, if they were to stand a chance. My headcanon says they made a crude copy of the design found in the Klingon database. And would naming them differently really have made much of a difference when they looked the same, and had about the same effects? Same for 'shields up' vs. 'polarize the hull plating' - never made any difference, so they could as well have introduced shields.

I agree though for those technologies that actually made a difference - transporters vs. shuttles, or grappler vs. tractor beam (grapplers missed frequently, cables could break or tangle, etc).

 

[Farscape One]

In their introductory episode, "The Wounded", they're explicitly called allies.

Of course, that episode showed them to be rearming and included a Federation ship destroying ships essentially unopposed in their space, so I suppose being allies was pretty shortlived.

Only Troi called them 'allies', and that we 'have to trust them'. Which Worf very correctly stated, "Trust is earned, not... given away." (Perhaps his most spot on piece of dialogue he ever spoke.)

No one else called them allies, and Picard was ordered to keep the peace abd preserve the treaty at all costs, which was why he didn't beam over an inspection team on that last Cardassian ship Maxwell had his weapons aimed at.

You don't 'keep the peace' or simply have a peace treaty with someone you call an ally.

 

[Oddish]

And as we see in "Ensign Ro", even when there was supposed peace, the Cardassians were perfectly happy to carry out acts of war.