Ganger Doctor...(spoilers for like all this season so far)

[Anbaric Amber]

I've been thinking about something.

If the Ganger Doctor could be made real - using the same process he used to make the human Gangers real, would that Ganger Doctor then have a full set of regenerations?

I ask because the Doctor told the Ganger Doctor that he may yet survive being melted. It also seems really odd to have made a special point of making himself a Ganger only to teach Ganger Amy a lesson without some greater purpose.

I'm wondering that the Doctor we see die, is actually the Real Doctor who is then replaced by the fully realized Ganger Doctor with a fresh set of regenerations.

River says that even a cell of a Time Lord is infinitely important. The Ganger Doctor's cells are all over the place on that island. Why mention that? And why burn the body?

Maybe it's because the Doctor doesn't wish anyone to know that he created a new version of himself complete with new regenerations?

Is this crazy?

 

[starsuperion]

I seriously doubt the Ganger Doctor survived.. and From what I gathered from the Gangers becoming "real" I do not think that that is the case, rather they were "stabilized" (per the Doctor's own words) and not prone to melting is all.. their internal organs are not real, as they are not humans, just copies..

 

[Anachronus]

Skipping over the point of what makes some one real, it seems that the gangers have some signature that the hand scanner could make out. So the copies are not perfect.

 

[captcalhoun]

given the Doctor did his magic stabilising in the TARDIS and GangerDoctor never made it that far, i'm guessing no.

 

[STR]

I seriously doubt the Ganger Doctor survived..

All that too-quite-too-fast dialog actually answers that. I picked up part of this when I rewatched the episode, but I had to turn on closed captioning to get the full conversation.

Doctor's Ganger: Well, my death arrives I suppose.

Doctor Classic: But this one, we're not invited to.

DG: Oh?

DC: Nothing. You molecular memory can survive this, you know? It may not be the end.

DG: Yeah, well if I turn up to nick all your biscuits, then you'll know you were right, won't you?

...

TARDIS vanishes

DG: This will dissolve her.

Cleaves: And us too.

DG: There may be a way back from this

Cleaves: From being vaporized? How?

DG: Yeah, let's find out, eh?... Geronimo.

Jennifer explodes, but our heros melt away like Amy does later.(not sure if that was a MOAR-DRAMATIC decision or something plot related)

 

[starsuperion]

One wonders if that scene was expressly written as a red-herring to throw off those "script and plot leakers" Moffat has so ardently come out against in the past..

 

[Mr. Adventure]

Maybe he'll show up to hand Rory the sonic screwdriver to open the Pandorica.

 

[Mr Light]

I thought it was pretty obvious that Ganger-Doctor would be coming back... I assume to be killed by Baby River.

 

[YellowSubmarine]

I thought it was pretty obvious that Ganger-Doctor would be coming back... I assume to be killed by Baby River.

It would be far too obvious. And it would diminish the effect of the vain hope that Amy expressed that the ganger Doctor could be the one who died, which was the strongest point of the two episodes with the Flesh.

The Doctor would be saved by some ridiculous circumstances in the end obviously, but I hope they won't be that obvious and will come at least a bit unexpected and would feature the Doctor making some significant effort or something crazy enough to make it worthwhile.

On the other hand... It will be awesome if in the end he tricks the eyepatch lady the same way she tricked him. So I wouldn't completely dismiss the option.

 

[Starkers]

^ That's a good point. To be honest however it's resolved it'd going to feel like a cheat, whether its a ganger or some timey wimey stuff (and frankly I'd prefer the ganger option to that!)

 

[propita]

I can’t remember, was it GangerCleaves that shot RealDicken(?), or reverse the Real & Ganger roles?

 

[Lonemagpie]

I still reckon that the ganger doctor was in the show for his molecular memory to be what's mixed into Melody's DNA - making a prototype warrior who can regenerate thanks to that surviving molecular bit...

 

[TiberiusMaximus]

I can’t remember, was it GangerCleaves that shot RealDicken(?), or reverse the Real & Ganger roles?

I'm pretty sure it was RealCleaves - she was offended that the Doctor 'formed an alliance' with the Gangers, remember? And the Doctor got angry when she killed him because he had a 'living, human heart'. So yeah, it was RealCleaves and GangerOtherGuy.

 

[propita]

That's what I thought.

But GangerOtherGuy didn't melt back to flesh, he just died. What's up with that, he wasn't stabilized.

 

[TiberiusMaximus]

Huh...yeah, you got a point there. Weird...I guess it's just a continuity error, or maybe the gangers were 'stabilized' when they were in their fully human form and so stayed that way when they died unless they fell in acid like GangerJennifer. But the screwdriver still vaporized the gangers...hm. Maybe it's just an error.

 

[YellowSubmarine]

He could have melted after the camera moved away from him? A human doesn't die straight after their heart stops, and I'd bet the same is true for a ganger copy.

 

[bryce]

It's kinda funny that they would give away the twist so soon...so I am betting/hoping that there's another twist coming...

They have spent a lot of exposition trying to convince us that a ganger is a real person - indeed that a ganger of that person *is* that person...is...more than a copy...a duplicate, as if, for all intents and purposes, the original was split in too...(like that episode of TNG where Riker was split in two by the transporter)...

So I wonder...maybe the ORIGINAL doctor will be the one who dies...and the ganger who becomes the Doctor...?

 

[propita]

Interesting idea, Bryce, especially in light of Amy's finally accepting the GangerDoctor as "real.".

Any odds on whether there'll be another GangerMelody for Amy and Rory to raise, while River fulfills her "destiny" in the Gamma Forest?

 

[STR]

So I wonder...maybe the ORIGINAL doctor will be the one who dies...and the ganger who becomes the Doctor...?

There would be riots in the streets.

Of course, by "streets", I mean internet.

And by "riot" I mean a lot of people typing in ALL CAPS!!11!

 

[Anbaric Amber]

It's kinda funny that they would give away the twist so soon...so I am betting/hoping that there's another twist coming...

They have spent a lot of exposition trying to convince us that a ganger is a real person - indeed that a ganger of that person *is* that person...is...more than a copy...a duplicate, as if, for all intents and purposes, the original was split in too...(like that episode of TNG where Riker was split in two by the transporter)...

So I wonder...maybe the ORIGINAL doctor will be the one who dies...and the ganger who becomes the Doctor...?

This is what I was saying. Why go to all the troub to beat us about the head with the idea if it's not going to pay off. It could be just like the two Riker thing.

The way the Doctor sort of just shows up - sonics the pool of goo - and runs out - makes me wonder if that's not the Doctor crossing his own timeline again like last season. Maybe that's why the older Doctor has been running for so long. He's been trying to undo all the things his "oncoming storm" persona has done or maybe it's to do with that whole "doctor falling so far" thing. He's been trying to fix it.

I dunno. It just seems like it could be a really interesting way out.