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Gamerant article: Star Trek:" What Made Kes and Neelix’s Relationship So Inappropriate"?

On the other hand, if the long-lived species has, say, a 50-year long childhood, and a 25-year-old member of their species looks like a third-grader, the person might gain some blowback from his own people if he was dating a 25-year-old human woman.
Voyager had a race that looked like children when they were at the point of dying.
 
Like a bunch of Benjamin Buttons, yes. Another species that should probably stick to their own kind where relationships are concerned.
Yeah, unfortunately interspecies couplings are tenuous at best in Trek, especially in VOY and Enterprise.
 
Regarding that, it seemed a bit odd that Kes's short lifespan was so genetically dominant. If humans live about 100 years and Ocampa live 10 or so, then Linnis should have been good for at least 20 or 25, and Andrew probably 50 minimum. And they should have had longer childhoods, too.
 
I wouldn't say the characters were a bad call. But the relationship as portrayed was handled poorly.

I agree with this but not because of the age difference. You have to understand that Kes was equivalent to 20ish, not 2 for crying out loud, years old and he was 30ish. It's not that taboo even among humans now. I was happy Kes gave him the boot after "Warlord." Neelix was my least favorite character on the series and I thought he got a lot more tolerable once the relationship jealousy thing was put to rest. But on the flip side it seemed like the writers didn't know what to do with Kes once the relationship ended. Which was a shame. I truly liked the potential Kes had and wish they had kept her around when Seven arrived.

Early on, I am pretty sure Neelix was supposed to be a sort of teenager himself. It’s only as they stuffed his backstory that changed. In some ways that’s genius (I think D’aago was basically supposed to be very young over on Farscape too) have an alien race character played by an older actor, but they are really a teen… once you put the *characters* in that set up, it made sense. It’s only once you see the setup in action it gets a bit squick — which is why they rode back on it fairly quickly thank goodness. Or at least, as quick as they could, once you consider all the factors at play (scripts for ages planned, showrunner etc etc) in those days.
 
There are many animals that live only a few years or months, and sexually mature within a fraction of that time. It's perfectly fine that they mate then. I guess the relevant issue is what we base the ability to consent on. Self-awareness of your own desires and boundaries, an understanding of sexuality, and emotional maturity? Then timespan experienced doesn't matter. And it's always relative to total expected lifetime anyway.
 
Regarding that, it seemed a bit odd that Kes's short lifespan was so genetically dominant. If humans live about 100 years and Ocampa live 10 or so, then Linnis should have been good for at least 20 or 25, and Andrew probably 50 minimum. And they should have had longer childhoods, too.

Except that Andrew and Lynnis were both maturing at close to the same rate as Kes.

If all human genes are recessive in comparison to Ocampa genes, then it could take 15 generations for a hint of human traits to squeak through to the surface.
 
There are many animals that live only a few years or months, and sexually mature within a fraction of that time. It's perfectly fine that they mate then. I guess the relevant issue is what we base the ability to consent on. Self-awareness of your own desires and boundaries, an understanding of sexuality, and emotional maturity? Then timespan experienced doesn't matter. And it's always relative to total expected lifetime anyway.

Worf was hack slashing thousands of 3 year olds to death in the dominion war, and he did not shed one tear.

Klingons also age quickly, should we celebrate Kirk as a genius for outwitting tweens?
 
He's a mass murderer.

I don't have a nice thing to say about Jessica Fletcher either.

Hey, the 90s were a tumultuous time; everyone was going through their "darker and edgier" phase. Even the Big Blue Boy Scout bowed to corporate pressure.
 
Hey, the 90s were a tumultuous time; everyone was going through their "darker and edgier" phase. Even the Big Blue Boy Scout bowed to corporate pressure.

He was convicted of Drunk driving, and then hypocritically broke out of prison every night to fight crime.

Hal Jordan is a monster.
 
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I think you have an ugly-ass yellow space parasite in mind. Ain't retcons beautiful?

Parallax just brought out who you truly were to the surface.

No one else infested by a spectrum avatar destroyed all time and space.
 
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There are many animals that live only a few years or months, and sexually mature within a fraction of that time. It's perfectly fine that they mate then. I guess the relevant issue is what we base the ability to consent on. Self-awareness of your own desires and boundaries, an understanding of sexuality, and emotional maturity? Then timespan experienced doesn't matter. And it's always relative to total expected lifetime anyway.

If you watched a Trek episode without knowing Kes's actual age, you would see her as who she is: intelligent, insightful, articulate. You would see her as more than mature enough to make sound decisions on her personal life. :adore:

You hear that she is two years old, you think about your own two-year-old, who can't even dress himself, and your mental alarm goes into overdrive. :eek:

Except that Andrew and Lynnis were both maturing at close to the same rate as Kes.

Yeah... and I thought that a bit odd (though I understand that they did it to give a little extra absurdity to the nature of human-Ocampa relationships). ;)

Worf was hack slashing thousands of 3 year olds to death in the dominion war, and he did not shed one tear.

Younger. According to "To the Death", Jem'Hadar are lethal at the age of three days. Their initial maturity rate makes Ocampa look slow by comparison. They just slow down afterward, though they still have an abbreviated life. If you ever wonder why the Federation prohibits genetic hijinks, just look at what was done to the Jem'Hadar. :mad:

I don't have a nice thing to say about Jessica Fletcher either.

I don't know... she managed to slaughter 286 people, then get other people to confess to the crimes. Neat trick, that! :razz:
 
Voyager had a race that looked like children when they were at the point of dying.

Transporter accident Kieko O'Brien, who looked like a 10 year old, tried to engage sex with her 40 year old husband.

He turned her down.

But in that Quantum Probabilities episode of TNG with Worf, there was at least one ship on the main view screen, from the greater multiverse, where there was a 10 year old Kieko with child, on board.
 
But in that Quantum Probabilities episode of TNG with Worf, there was at least one ship on the main view screen, from the greater multiverse, where there was a 10 year old Kieko with child, on board.
One actually wonders (from a biological perspective) what would have happened if Keiko had been pregnant with her second child when the accident occured. Could her modified body have continued to carry the child, or would they have to find a Major Kira substitute?
 
One actually wonders (from a biological perspective) what would have happened if Keiko had been pregnant with her second child when the accident occured. Could her modified body have continued to carry the child, or would they have to find a Major Kira substitute?
If that transporter accident turned Keiko into a ten year old, what would it do to a fetus? If such a thing as you described above occured.
 
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