Spoilers Game of Thrones: The Final Season

[Charles Phipps]

The name calling doesn’t bother me. It’s silly. But, it annoys me the central point keeps getting ignored. Or rather, not addressed.

Dany doesn’t have any more claim to the moral high ground than some of the characters we agree are terrible because of the choices she makes. Like crucifixion. Or burning people with dragon fire who clearly have surrendered but choose not to bend the knee.

Actually, my point is that I disagree. The Masters were evil and fundamentally what she did to them is not the same as what they did to those children.

Which means she has....the moral high ground.

She can and do terrible barbarism but I said earlier, her failure in Mereen was she wasn't violent enough.

 

[StarMan]

I agree with everything you wrote. Very well said! I'll just comment on this last bit. I would say that her story pre-Westeros did show that she was a typical monarch despite her protestations otherwise and comments about breaking the wheel. She demanded loyalty and bending the knee and all that. It was a one-way street. And, you could see the ruthlessness that was there beneath the surface. She's not the worst ruler by any means but as some one I'd like to hang out with, no thanks.

As you say, this wasn't a serious problem the character before Westeros because given her opponents, it was easy to root for her. But, once she came to Westeros, it's a source of conflict. I, too, think it's very cool how it's come together.

Thanks. I completely agree about what you said about her story pre-Westeros. I should say I used the terms good and bad very loosely to illustrate my point.

 

[BlueStuff]

Yes, that's actually a lot easier to do. You will see if you watch the extras.

I’ve heard the same excuse; it’s all nonsense.

 

[StarMan]

So in terms of how this will all end, and apologies if anyone else has said this (and it wouldn't surprise me if they had) surely when George RR Martin talks about a bittersweet ending the most logical way that'd play out would be with Jon, the man who never wanted to be king, ending up alone on a throne he never wanted.

If that does happen I think we'll realise that Martin's basically just been remaking The Godfather (but with dragons) this whole time, with Jon as Michael Corleone.

Hmmm. Interesting way to look at it. I don't think Cersei and Dany are long for the world - question is how they'll meet their end...

 

[Charles Phipps]

I predict Daeny will name Jon and his children her heirs.

 

[crookeddy]

I predict Daeny will name Jon and his children her heirs.

That would be a happy ending. There are no happy endings.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

So in terms of how this will all end, and apologies if anyone else has said this (and it wouldn't surprise me if they had) surely when George RR Martin talks about a bittersweet ending the most logical way that'd play out would be with Jon, the man who never wanted to be king, ending up alone on a throne he never wanted.

If that does happen I think we'll realise that Martin's basically just been remaking The Godfather (but with dragons) this whole time, with Jon as Michael Corleone.

If that happens, it won't be bittersweet for me, it'll just be disappointing. Any scenario ending with Jon on the throne will be disappointing.

 

[Miss Chicken]

I think Jon will refuse the throne just like Aemon Targaryen did. Jon will end up beyond the Wall with the Wildings.

 

[DigificWriter]

The way the series ends isn't "bittersweet"; it's just bitter.

 

[Starkers]

I think Jon will refuse the throne just like Aemon Targaryen did. Jon will end up beyond the Wall with the Wildings.

I don't know, he didn't want to be head of the Night's Watch but took the role, and didn't want to be King of the North but took the role. I think if its a choice between chaos and bloodshed across Westeros, and taking the throne, he'll take the throne, it's consistent with his character.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

I don't know, he didn't want to be head of the Night's Watch but took the role, and didn't want to be King of the North but took the role. I think if its a choice between chaos and bloodshed across Westeros, and taking the throne, he'll take the throne, it's consistent with his character.

Which is why I'm worried we'll get that ending. I would much prefer the Aemon ending but I doubt it'll happen, especially considering how the show emphasized his farewells to Tormund, Sam, Gilly, and Ghost.

 

[Asbo Zaprudder]

I think Sansa and Tyrion will marry to heal the rift (akin to Henry VII marrying Elizabeth of York). Perhaps they will also share the Iron Throne.

Jon going north of the Wall and discovering that the threat of the White Walkers will return also seems likely. I expect Bran will mend the Wall by magical means.

I doubt that Arya will survive beyond episode 8.5. Once her list is done, her purpose is fulfilled. Perhaps the Faceless Men will see to that.

 

[Starkers]

So I guess that theory floating around a few years ago that Tyrion was Targaryan as well came to naught then?

 

[Asbo Zaprudder]

Pretty much too late to introduce that as an element now, even as a vague suggestion. Possibly in the novels...

 

[StarMan]

So I guess that theory floating around a few years ago that Tyrion was Targaryan as well came to naught then?

Something would have been hinted at by now.

 

[Mr Awe]

If that happens, it won't be bittersweet for me, it'll just be disappointing. Any scenario ending with Jon on the throne will be disappointing.

I don't see the series ending with Jon on the throne. Perhaps he gains it and then gives it up? I'm sure by this point that he's soured on monarchies enough that he'd find a way to end it if he has the opportunity. And, another main point of the series (don't know about the books) has been deconstructing the whole nobility concept. It's more like how Bronn described the noble houses. I'm sure Jon would agree and would end it if he can. So, if he gets the throne, he'd find a way to change it. He'd seem to have enough support to make it happen too.

 

[Mr Awe]

I don't know, he didn't want to be head of the Night's Watch but took the role, and didn't want to be King of the North but took the role. I think if its a choice between chaos and bloodshed across Westeros, and taking the throne, he'll take the throne, it's consistent with his character.

For Night's Watch, he didn't have the power to change it. For King of the North, he was thinking of the people's safety with the army of the dead looming. Maybe the third time is the charm? He'll have the power and not dealing with an existential thread. Both of which helps him make a meaningful change. Although, that by itself is not bittersweet. Maybe the bitter part is that he needs to take out Dany to get to that point?

 

[Professor Zoom]

Actually, my point is that I disagree. The Masters were evil and fundamentally what she did to them is not the same as what they did to those children.

Which means she has....the moral high ground.

She can and do terrible barbarism but I said earlier, her failure in Mereen was she wasn't violent enough.

So actions aren’t evil... it’s who you do them to that decides if they are evil or not.

Such moral relativism makes my head spin.

Is there like a list that tells me who I can crucify and not be considered immoral? Is there a list of who I can and can’t burn of those who have surrendered and still be a “good” person?

 

[DigificWriter]

Why do so many people seem to be ignoring the spoiler leaks?

It's not like they're difficult to find.

The series does not end well for anyone.

 

[dahj]

Why do so many people seem to be ignoring the spoiler leaks?

Because we don't wanna read spoilers?